[arin-ppml] Automatic IPv6 Eligibility

Jason Schiller jschiller at google.com
Wed Aug 12 00:22:56 EDT 2015


For ISPs a /22 is billed at XX-small at $500 annually.
(this includes ASNs and membership vote)

adding up to a /40 keeps the ISP in the XX-small category and does not
change the annual fee.

An IPv4 /32 bumps the ISP up to a small with an annual fee of $2,000.  (a
$1,500 increase).
(If the ISP already had more than a /20 there would be no increase in fees)


End sites are billed differently
End sites pay $100 per resource.
one /22 costs $100.
two /24s cost $200.
one /20, two /23s, and two ASNs cost $500 annually.

There is an additional one time fee for new resources based on the size of
the resource.

So an end user with one /22 and one ASN the annual fee is $200.

There is a one time initial fee of of $500 for a single block that is a /40
or smaller
(this is in addition to the $200 annual fee for IPv4 and ASN)

The following year the annual fee will go up by $100 for a total of $300.

___Jason




On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:35 PM, David Huberman <
David.Huberman at microsoft.com> wrote:

> Hi Josh,
>
>
>
> If you have a /21 allocation from ARIN, then you are paying them $1,000 a
> year in a subscription fee.  That covers your AS number, and your /21, and
> it gives you membership to vote.
>
>
>
> If you want, you can request a /36 of IPv6 from ARIN, and it will come at
> no extra charge.  There will be no registration fee, and your annual
> subscription fee will not change.
>
>
>
> From an engineering perspective, many of us do not recommend that.  We
> recommend getting the full default prefix size – a /32 – and deploying
> that.   Unfortunately, that will cause your annual subscription fee with
> ARIN to double to $2,000.  You still won’t pay a registration fee for
> getting the /32, but when your next annual bill is sent, it will be for
> $2,000 rather than $1,000.
>
>
>
> Please keep in mind that the only realistic way I know of to get more IPv4
> addresses for your new products and customers is via the IPv4 transfer
> market, and that’s going to cost many, many times more than ARIN charges.
> Many tens of thousands of dollars, probably, depending on what you want to
> get.   You may wish to balance the cost of obtaining more IPv4 addresses in
> the market with what revenue opportunities those addresses represent, then
> factor in how you can (or cannot) leverage IPv6 to make those numbers work
> better for you.  Just a suggestion, and sorry if I’m overstepping.
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> *David R Huberman*
> Principal, Global IP Addressing
>
> Microsoft Corporation
>
>
>
> *From:* arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] *On
> Behalf Of *josh at rowenetworks.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:29 PM
> *To:* arin-ppml at arin.net
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Automatic IPv6 Eligibility
>
>
>
> Well here's my scenario. My ISP is in the process of acquiring another
> ISP, I wrote into arin for advice of how to go about requesting additional
> ip space as the acquisition will take more IP addresses then what we have
> left out of our current /21 allotment.
>
>
> I was advised to apply asap however with the depletion
> procedures/protocols it didn't seem likely to quickly be able to get enough
> blocks from the free pool.
>
> If an existing service provider such as myself would be able to get a free
> ipv6 allocation I would agree it would help transition to ipv6 faster as I
> need more IPs for my customers, infrastructure, etc.
>
> I'd at least be more willing to try to make it work for my customer ip
> space since there would be little or no cost involved, now the problem that
> remains is the equipment compatibility and third party support of ipv6.
>
> Is it possible to still get a block to use for my ISP for $100/yr?
>
> Best Regards,
> Josh Rowe
>
> On August 11, 2015 10:11:40 PM EDT, Randy Carpenter <rcarpen at network1.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> ----- On Aug 11, 2015, at 8:43 PM, Seth Mattinen sethm at rollernet.us wrote:
>
>  On 8/11/15 14:43, Alfie Cleveland wrote:
>
>  Hello,
>
>  I’m requesting comment in regards to automatically make organisations
>  eligible for IPv6 if they hold justified IPv4 space. This similar to
>  Section 9.3.1. of the [APNIC-127] APNIC Internet Number Resource
>  Policies. I feel that if organisations were able to receive a /48 for
>  each /24 they hold, then it would help expedite the rollout of IPv6.
>  Organisations currently have two choices - continue to use IPv4, or
>  spend valuable time on applying for IPv6 space. IPv6 space is clearly in
>  abundance - and this could potentially help slo
>
>  w the
>
> exhaustion of IPv4.
>
>
>
>
>  I got my /32 IPv6 allocation in late 2009 and end user /48 in 2007 and I
>  don't remember having to do much to qualify for them other than ask. Has
>  this changed?
>
>
> No. If you have IPv4 space already, it is incredibly easy to get IPv6. Getting the default /48 as an end-user is about as automatic as it could be, and qualifying for more is not much more effort if you have multiple sites.
>
> The only issue is that for end-users, you now have to pay an additional $100 per year for the IPv6 assignment.
>
> -Randy
>
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