[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy Slow Start and Simplified Needs Verification

Fri Sep 12 13:08:05 EDT 2014

I'm still a bit confused. Is the option 2 text below what you're proposing as the complete proposal, replacing the many paragraphs and sections of your original proposal? Or are you just replacing some of it?  Can you post the full resulting policy statement?

Thanks,
Scott

> On Sep 12, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com> wrote:
> 
> It has been a week, and there has been no discussion on this thread.
> 
> I take the silence to mean the suggested "option 2" rewrite is non-controversial and meets all of Bill's concerns.
> 
> I also take the silence to mean that all three options I have suggested all result in the same implementation, 
> and since no one believes any of the three options differ in implementation, there is no preference.
> 
> I humbly submit we should go with option 2, as it is closest to Bill's suggestion, and keeps 8.2 and 8.3 in line 
> (setting the ground work for a future unification of 8.2 and 8.3).
> 
> Will there be discussion now?  Or should we just silently move forward?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> ___Jason
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com> wrote:
>> Bill,
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> The intent was NOT to remove the requirement for in-region recipients of transfers to sign an RSA.
>> 
>> My apologies.  
>> 
>> There is a lot or parallel structure in 8.3 and 8.4 and in my mind 8.4 is identical to 8.3 except 8.4 has a clause "Except when the recipient is out of region then that region's policy applies", and " Except when the source is out of region then that region's policy applies".  I really wanted to completely merge 8.3 and 8.4 to remove the parallel structure but as an editorial re-write only and not part of this discussion. 
>> 
>> in 8.4 there are a separate bullets for 24-month supply and sign the RSA:
>> "> Recipients within the ARIN region will be subject to current ARIN policies and sign an RSA for the resources being received.
>>  > Recipients within the ARIN region must demonstrate the need for up to a 24-month supply of IPv4 address space."
>> 
>> I think in my mind I imagined a similar separate bullets in 8.3, one for 24-month supply and another for sign RSA, and I intended just to remove the 24 month part.  
>> 
>> I think there are a few ways to fix this.
>> 
>> Option 1 - minimun rewrtite
>> - remove only the "24-month" portion of the 8.3 text. This is the minimum change, but brings section 8.3 and 8.4 further out of alignment
>> 
>> Option 2 - single bullet for "meet ARIN policy" and "sign RSA" (8.3 as the model text)
>> - replace the whole "24-month" text and "meet ARIN policy" text in 8.3 with a bullet that included "sign the RSA" and "meet ARIN policy" under one bullet and is parallel to text in 8.4 (minus within the ARIN region)
>> 
>> Option 3 - two separate bullets for "meet ARIN policy" and "sign RSA" (8.2 as the model text) 
>> - replace the whole "24-month" text in 8.3 with a bullet that included "sign the RSA"
>> -separate the "sign the RSA" and "meet ARIN policy" in 8.4 into two bullets and is parallel to text in 8.3 (plus the within ARIN region)
>> 
>> (If the summary of the options are hard to follow I have a suggestion for the specific rewrites below)
>> 
>> I think your suggestion is roughly Option 2 below (the only difference is with your suggested rewrite, there are now two bullets in 8.3 stating the recipient is subject to current ARIN policies).  Assuming all the options have the same policy implications, I would prefer option 2 or 3, as these bring greater alignment of the sections.  
>> 
>> Do these options all meet your concern?
>> 
>> Does the community and ARIN staff agree that the thee options have the same policy implications?
>> 
>> 
>> Kevin, David,
>> 
>> I think at this point you own the text?
>> I would be supportive of the friendly amendment to modify the draft policy as follows:
>> 
>>  
>> OPTION 1:
>> Replace the following Section 8.3 text:
>> 
>>  "> The recipient must demonstrate the need for up to a 24-month supply
>>   of IP address resources under current ARIN policies and sign an
>>   RSA."
>> 
>>  with:
>> 
>> "> Recipients will sign an RSA for the resources being received."
>> 
>> 
>> OPTION 2:
>> 
>>  Replace the following Section 8.3 text:
>> 
>>  "> The recipient must demonstrate the need for up to a 24-month supply
>>   of IP address resources under current ARIN policies and sign an
>>   RSA.
>>   > The resources transferred will be subject to current ARIN policies."
>> 
>>  with:
>> 
>> "> Recipients will be subject to current ARIN policies and sign an RSA for the resources being received."
>> 
>> OPTION 3:
>> Replace the following Section 8.3 text:
>> 
>>  "> The recipient must demonstrate the need for up to a 24-month supply
>>   of IP address resources under current ARIN policies and sign an
>>   RSA."
>> 
>>  with:
>> 
>> "> Recipients will sign an RSA for the resources being received."
>> 
>> and replace the following Section 8.4 text:
>> 
>> "> Recipients within the ARIN region will be subject to current ARIN policies and sign an RSA for the resources being received.
>>   > Recipients within the ARIN region must demonstrate the need for up to a 24-month supply of IPv4 address space."
>> 
>> With:
>> 
>> "> Recipients within the ARIN region will sign an RSA for the resources being received.
>>  > The resources transferred to recipients within the ARIN region will be subject to current ARIN policies."
>> 
>> If all the options are indeed the same I would prefer option 2 or 3.
>> If the options have different policy implications and we can converge on one standard for both 8.2 and 8.3, then I would prefer that.
>> 
>> 
>> ___Jason
>> 
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>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Bill Owens <owens at nysernet.org> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 04:55:58PM -0400, ARIN wrote:
>>> > On 28 August 2014 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted
>>> > "ARIN-prop-212 Transfer policy slow start and simplified needs
>>> > verification" as a Draft Policy.
>>> >
>>> . . .
>>> >
>>> > Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20
>>> > Transfer Policy Slow Start and Simplified Needs Verification
>>> >
>>> > Date: 3 September 2014
>>> >
>>> . . .
>>> >
>>> > Policy statement:
>>> >
>>> > Remove the following section 8.3 text:
>>> >
>>> > “The recipient must demonstrate the need for up to a 24-month supply
>>> > of IP address resources under current ARIN policies and sign an
>>> > RSA.”
>>> 
>>> Shouldn't that be something like this, instead?
>>> 
>>>  Replace the following Section 8.3 text:
>>> 
>>>  "The recipient must demonstrate the need for up to a 24-month supply
>>>   of IP address resources under current ARIN policies and sign an
>>>   RSA.”
>>> 
>>>  with:
>>> 
>>>  "The recipient will be subject to current ARIN policies and sign an
>>>   RSA for the resources being received."
>>> 
>>> As written it appears to remove the requirement for recipients of in-region transfers to sign an RSA.
>>> 
>>> Bill.
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