[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy Slow Start and Simplified Needs Verification

[Jason Schiller]

It has been a week, and there has been no discussion on this thread.

I take the silence to mean the suggested "option 2" rewrite is
non-controversial and meets all of Bill's concerns.

I also take the silence to mean that all three options I have suggested all
result in the same implementation,
and since no one believes any of the three options differ in
implementation, there is no preference.

I humbly submit we should go with option 2, as it is closest to Bill's
suggestion, and keeps 8.2 and 8.3 in line
(setting the ground work for a future unification of 8.2 and 8.3).

Will there be discussion now?  Or should we just silently move forward?


Thanks,

___Jason




On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com>
wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Thank you.
>
> The intent was NOT to remove the requirement for in-region recipients of
> transfers to sign an RSA.
>
> My apologies.
>
> There is a lot or parallel structure in 8.3 and 8.4 and in my mind 8.4 is
> identical to 8.3 except 8.4 has a clause "Except when the recipient is
> out of region then that region's policy applies", and " Except when the
> source is out of region then that region's policy applies".  I really
> wanted to completely merge 8.3 and 8.4 to remove the parallel structure but
> as an editorial re-write only and not part of this discussion.
>
> in 8.4 there are a separate bullets for 24-month supply and sign the RSA:
> "> Recipients within the ARIN region will be subject to current ARIN
> policies and sign an RSA for the resources being received.
>  > Recipients within the ARIN region must demonstrate the need for up to a
> 24-month supply of IPv4 address space."
>
> I think in my mind I imagined a similar separate bullets in 8.3, one for
> 24-month supply and another for sign RSA, and I intended just to remove the
> 24 month part.
>
> I think there are a few ways to fix this.
>
> Option 1 - minimun rewrtite
> - remove only the "24-month" portion of the 8.3 text. This is the minimum
> change, but brings section 8.3 and 8.4 further out of alignment
>
> Option 2 - single bullet for "meet ARIN policy" and "sign RSA" (8.3 as the
> model text)
> - replace the whole "24-month" text and "meet ARIN policy" text in 8.3
> with a bullet that included "sign the RSA" and "meet ARIN policy" under one
> bullet and is parallel to text in 8.4 (minus within the ARIN region)
>
> Option 3 - two separate bullets for "meet ARIN policy" and "sign RSA" (8.2
> as the model text)
> - replace the whole "24-month" text in 8.3 with a bullet that included
> "sign the RSA"
> -separate the "sign the RSA" and "meet ARIN policy" in 8.4 into two
> bullets and is parallel to text in 8.3 (plus the within ARIN region)
>
> (If the summary of the options are hard to follow I have a suggestion for
> the specific rewrites below)
>
> I think your suggestion is roughly Option 2 below (the only difference is
> with your suggested rewrite, there are now two bullets in 8.3 stating the
> recipient is subject to current ARIN policies).  Assuming all the options
> have the same policy implications, I would prefer option 2 or 3, as these
> bring greater alignment of the sections.
>
> Do these options all meet your concern?
>
> Does the community and ARIN staff agree that the thee options have the
> same policy implications?
>
>
> Kevin, David,
>
> I think at this point you own the text?
> I would be supportive of the friendly amendment to modify the draft policy
> as follows:
>
>
> OPTION 1:
> Replace the following Section 8.3 text:
>
>  "> The recipient must demonstrate the need for up to a 24-month supply
>   of IP address resources under current ARIN policies and sign an
>   RSA."
>
>  with:
>
> "> Recipients will sign an RSA for the resources being received."
>
>
> OPTION 2:
>
>  Replace the following Section 8.3 text:
>
>  "> The recipient must demonstrate the need for up to a 24-month supply
>   of IP address resources under current ARIN policies and sign an
>   RSA.
>   > The resources transferred will be subject to current ARIN policies."
>
>  with:
>
> "> Recipients will be subject to current ARIN policies and sign an RSA for
> the resources being received."
>
> OPTION 3:
> Replace the following Section 8.3 text:
>
>  "> The recipient must demonstrate the need for up to a 24-month supply
>   of IP address resources under current ARIN policies and sign an
>   RSA."
>
>  with:
>
> "> Recipients will sign an RSA for the resources being received."
>
> and replace the following Section 8.4 text:
>
> "> Recipients within the ARIN region will be subject to current ARIN
> policies and sign an RSA for the resources being received.
>   > Recipients within the ARIN region must demonstrate the need for up to
> a 24-month supply of IPv4 address space."
>
> With:
>
> "> Recipients within the ARIN region will sign an RSA for the resources
> being received.
>  > The resources transferred to recipients within the ARIN region will be
> subject to current ARIN policies."
>
> If all the options are indeed the same I would prefer option 2 or 3.
> If the options have different policy implications and we can converge on
> one standard for both 8.2 and 8.3, then I would prefer that.
>
>
> ___Jason
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> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Bill Owens <owens at nysernet.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 04:55:58PM -0400, ARIN wrote:
>> > On 28 August 2014 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted
>> > "ARIN-prop-212 Transfer policy slow start and simplified needs
>> > verification" as a Draft Policy.
>> >
>> . . .
>> >
>> > Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20
>> > Transfer Policy Slow Start and Simplified Needs Verification
>> >
>> > Date: 3 September 2014
>> >
>> . . .
>> >
>> > Policy statement:
>> >
>> > Remove the following section 8.3 text:
>> >
>> > "The recipient must demonstrate the need for up to a 24-month supply
>> > of IP address resources under current ARIN policies and sign an
>> > RSA."
>>
>> Shouldn't that be something like this, instead?
>>
>>  Replace the following Section 8.3 text:
>>
>>  "The recipient must demonstrate the need for up to a 24-month supply
>>   of IP address resources under current ARIN policies and sign an
>>   RSA."
>>
>>  with:
>>
>>  "The recipient will be subject to current ARIN policies and sign an
>>   RSA for the resources being received."
>>
>> As written it appears to remove the requirement for recipients of
>> in-region transfers to sign an RSA.
>>
>> Bill.
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