[arin-ppml] ARIN IPs and Spammers?

Fri Nov 7 07:19:43 EST 2014

Agreed, and as mentioned below, there is no rule-of-law without enforcement.

So the question is who or what should be the enforcement (police, judge) of proper IP usage?   I don’t think that’s ARIN’s role.  ARIN makes the rules (as does the House and Senate) but Congress certainly is not tasked with enforcement and actually needs enforcement to ensure that they follow their own rules.  We appear to be missing the enforcement piece of the IP puzzle and abuse will continue until we put that piece in place.

Trial by email distribution list is not the answer but it appears that there is aneed for some type of formal structure / entity / committee / jury system / elected panel of judges or whatever … that is empowered by ARIN to carry out enforcement and acknowledged by all as such.

-          john

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From: Bon Onlines [mailto:bononlines at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 6:07 AM
To: John Von Stein
Cc: Bob Atkins; arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN IPs and Spammers?

Hello John,

" The point is that ARIN is the administrator of IP numbers but each of us is responsible for the proper use of them. "

This statement is correct, but the main point is, why should ARIN assign more IPs to the companies who are abusing their own IP Assignments? If ARIN is the administrator of IP numbers, so they have to have atleast a control and monitor on new assignment to its clients. The issue is, if a spammer comes to you and ask for a huge block of IPs, this is a win win business for you and the spammer. ( specially more benefit for you as an ISP ) because you have got the money from the spammer to assign him the huge block of IP, you IPs are all in used and you can ask more IPs from ARIN, ARIN will assign you another huge block of IP without checking how you did used the old one before? were they givven to spammers? were they abused? and you have now a new virgin block which cann be givven to another spammer and you will earn more.

Who will make profit here? Yes, for sure, you as an ISP, the Spammer ... BUT the people are being abused and getting more and more spamms daily, hourly and soon secondly if the IPv6 comes ...

My concern is, ARIN has to have more monitor and control of its IP assinments.

Is that alot to ask from them ?

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:50 AM, John Von Stein <John at qxccommunications.com<mailto:John at qxccommunications.com>> wrote:
Should Colt be held accountable to police the use of hand guns?  Or Pfizer for medication schedule compliance?   Or teachers for our children’s grades?

The point is that ARIN is the administrator of IP numbers but each of us is responsible for the proper use of them.  That said, without enforcement there is no rule of law so the question really is what entity needs to be the enforcer?  The Federal Reserve Bank assesses economic conditions and sets interest rates but it is the Bank Auditor Army that enforces regulatory compliance on the banks themselves.

Much like the Fed, IP addresses need to have a segregation of duties between policy-setting and enforcement.  Clearly ARIN is in the policy-setting role already and that’s where they should stay in my humble opinion.  The question is who/what will be the “Bank Examiner” regarding the appropriate use of IP addresses going forward?????

This whole discussion thread is not about technology, it’s about governance.

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From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>] On Behalf Of Bob Atkins
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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN IPs and Spammers?

Trying to regulate IPv4 address space based on who and how it is used is a waste of time anyway.

Just wait until spammers start using IPv6 space.
On 11/6/2014 3:59 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:

In a word, no.

ARIN should not be the application police and should not be making value judgments about what addresses are used for.

While I support industry efforts to eliminate SPAM and support ARIN taking action against inefficient utilization of address space (such as snowshoe spamming), I do not think that we want to go down the very slippery slope of appointing ARIN arbiter of what is good and bad usage of internet addresses.

Owen

On Nov 6, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Bon Onlines <bononlines at gmail.com><mailto:bononlines at gmail.com> wrote:

Hey all,

What do you think about the number of ARIN ips belongs to spammers

nowadays? I have done a researched recently and found alot companies

how have assigned more than thousands of IPs to some spammers around

the world.

Do you think such assignments are fair? Shouldn't arin take some steps

to stop such abuses of ips?

I would be happy to hear your thoughts.

Thanks

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