[arin-ppml] ARIN IPs and Spammers?

[John Von Stein]

Should Colt be held accountable to police the use of hand guns?  Or Pfizer for medication schedule compliance?   Or teachers for our children's grades?

The point is that ARIN is the administrator of IP numbers but each of us is responsible for the proper use of them.  That said, without enforcement there is no rule of law so the question really is what entity needs to be the enforcer?  The Federal Reserve Bank assesses economic conditions and sets interest rates but it is the Bank Auditor Army that enforces regulatory compliance on the banks themselves.

Much like the Fed, IP addresses need to have a segregation of duties between policy-setting and enforcement.  Clearly ARIN is in the policy-setting role already and that's where they should stay in my humble opinion.  The question is who/what will be the "Bank Examiner" regarding the appropriate use of IP addresses going forward?????

This whole discussion thread is not about technology, it's about governance.

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From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Bob Atkins
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:34 PM
To: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN IPs and Spammers?


Trying to regulate IPv4 address space based on who and how it is used is a waste of time anyway.

Just wait until spammers start using IPv6 space.
On 11/6/2014 3:59 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:

In a word, no.



ARIN should not be the application police and should not be making value judgments about what addresses are used for.



While I support industry efforts to eliminate SPAM and support ARIN taking action against inefficient utilization of address space (such as snowshoe spamming), I do not think that we want to go down the very slippery slope of appointing ARIN arbiter of what is good and bad usage of internet addresses.



Owen



On Nov 6, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Bon Onlines <bononlines at gmail.com><mailto:bononlines at gmail.com> wrote:



Hey all,



What do you think about the number of ARIN ips belongs to spammers

nowadays? I have done a researched recently and found alot companies

how have assigned more than thousands of IPs to some spammers around

the world.



Do you think such assignments are fair? Shouldn't arin take some steps

to stop such abuses of ips?



I would be happy to hear your thoughts.



Thanks

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