[arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

McTim dogwallah at gmail.com
Tue Jun 10 17:24:23 EDT 2014


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com
> wrote:

> Yes I agree it should have happened years ago and I agree that an outside
> marketplace already exists, but it isn't too late for ARIN to engage and
> embrace the new marketplace.



They have embraced it, fully:

https://arin.net/resources/request/transfers_8_3.html





>  I certainly do understand why those large Legacy holders would just watch
> and wait to see what happened in the marketplace once all of the RIRs run
> out of resources. It is in their interest to do so.
>


but there have been cases of good net-citizenship where entities have
returned large blocks (even entire /8's) in recent years.

-- 
Cheers,

McTim
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indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Elvis Velea
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:40 PM
> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers
>
>
> On 10/06/14 22:15, lar at mwtcorp.net wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:11:15 +0000
> >  Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com> wrote:
> >> Get used to it because even if this Community doesn’t relent and ease
> >> up on needs requirements, the marketplace will take up the slack
> >> outside of ARIN - and a 2nd (or more) defacto marketplace will be
> >> created.  It is inevitable and short of a law being past you and I
> >> can’t stop it.  As you probably know this is already happening with
> >> the IP brokers out there and I could easily see another RIR who is
> >> out of resources joining up with significant 3rd party brokers to
> >> fill IPv4 needs at market prices worldwide. There is another supply
> >> of IPv4 resources out there in the form of all those Legacy /8’s that
> >> were given out many years ago, and I suspect that demand will bring
> >> some of those resources to market.  That supply could defer switching
> >> to IPv6 for years and not everyone likes IPv6.
> >>
> >
> > Then maybe the discussion we should be having is how to reclaim
> > un-needed IPV4 space.
>
> this discussion should have happened 10 years ago. Now, it's too late.
>
> Everyone knows that IP addresses are worth a buck or two.. The marketplace
> exists and at least 3 RIRs acknowledge it and their communities have built
> policies for it. Would you give them up if you would be having a (large)
> number of unused IPs; IPs that may bring your organization the money needed
> to invest in new equipment and skills and migrate to IPv6 :)
>
> cheers,
> elvis
>
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