<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Steven Ryerse <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com" target="_blank">SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Yes I agree it should have happened years ago and I agree that an outside marketplace already exists, but it isn't too late for ARIN to engage and embrace the new marketplace.</blockquote>
<div><br><br></div><div>They have embraced it, fully:<br><br><a href="https://arin.net/resources/request/transfers_8_3.html">https://arin.net/resources/request/transfers_8_3.html</a><br><br><br></div><div><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I certainly do understand why those large Legacy holders would just watch and wait to see what happened in the marketplace once all of the RIRs run out of resources. It is in their interest to do so.<br></blockquote><div>
<br><br></div><div>but there have been cases of good net-citizenship where entities have returned large blocks (even entire /8's) in recent years.<br><br>-- <br>Cheers,<br><br>McTim<br>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers<br>
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</div><div class=""><div class="h5">On 10/06/14 22:15, <a href="mailto:lar@mwtcorp.net">lar@mwtcorp.net</a> wrote:<br>
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:11:15 +0000<br>
> Steven Ryerse <<a href="mailto:SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com">SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Get used to it because even if this Community doesn’t relent and ease<br>
>> up on needs requirements, the marketplace will take up the slack<br>
>> outside of ARIN - and a 2nd (or more) defacto marketplace will be<br>
>> created. It is inevitable and short of a law being past you and I<br>
>> can’t stop it. As you probably know this is already happening with<br>
>> the IP brokers out there and I could easily see another RIR who is<br>
>> out of resources joining up with significant 3rd party brokers to<br>
>> fill IPv4 needs at market prices worldwide. There is another supply<br>
>> of IPv4 resources out there in the form of all those Legacy /8’s that<br>
>> were given out many years ago, and I suspect that demand will bring<br>
>> some of those resources to market. That supply could defer switching<br>
>> to IPv6 for years and not everyone likes IPv6.<br>
>><br>
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> Then maybe the discussion we should be having is how to reclaim<br>
> un-needed IPV4 space.<br>
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this discussion should have happened 10 years ago. Now, it's too late.<br>
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Everyone knows that IP addresses are worth a buck or two.. The marketplace exists and at least 3 RIRs acknowledge it and their communities have built policies for it. Would you give them up if you would be having a (large) number of unused IPs; IPs that may bring your organization the money needed to invest in new equipment and skills and migrate to IPv6 :)<br>
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cheers,<br>
elvis<br>
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