[arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

McTim dogwallah at gmail.com
Tue Jun 10 14:29:00 EDT 2014


Hi Steven,




On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com>
wrote:

> There are several folks (like me) who want to ditch the needs test and
> there are several folks who don't want to ditch them.  I take it your
> position is that the folks who want to keep needs tests should somehow
> prevail in this argument without much or any change,  and those of us who
> wish to ditch them should just accept the status quo with needs tests. In
> other words you win and we lose!
>
> I saw a lot of folks comment here recently who want to at least loosen
> needs tests on the smaller block sizes, many many more than I've ever seen
> before.  Since it is obvious a sizable portion of this community desires a
> change toward loosening policies, why is it that you persist in standing in
> the way of compromise?
>



As for me, I think relaxing (not eliminating needs assessment at a /24
boundary is plenty of compromise.

See Andrew Dul's most recent mail for possible scenario's.

-- 
Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel


>
> There comes a time when fair is fair - and small organizations are
> routinely discriminated against because of our small size and not so deep
> pockets.  There is a lot of anger out there over the unfairness of these
> existing policies.  It should be just as easy for us to get resources as it
> was for T-Mobile and others.  I call on all members of this community to at
> least come to a compromise.  After all the world hasn't ended for RIPE with
> their changes - and it won't end here either if fairness is put back into
> the policies so that small organizations can get the resources they need
> too!
>
> Steven Ryerse
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Owen DeLong
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:25 PM
> To: Matthew Kaufman
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers
>
> >
> > Matthew Kaufman
> >
> > ps. I'd also note that "policy that expresses the general intent of the
> community" may in fact *be* policy that lets post-runout transfers be
> performed without a needs test, as "the community" consists of a lot more
> than "Owen”.
>
> Indeed, it does. However, many people have also repeatedly stood up in
> defense of needs basis, so singling me out as if I am the lone supporter of
> preserving needs basis is as specious as many of your other arguments.
>
> Owen
>
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