[arin-ppml] Simple question to simplify the rhetoric..

[Owen DeLong]

I am glad you presented the dark pools as an example. Let’s look at how much harm the dark pools and high frequency trading have done and the role of the parasites that profit from this environment and consider whether we want to legitimize or encourage such a thing for internet numbers.

I highly recommend the book “Flash Boys” for those who have not read it.

Owen

On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:40 AM, John Von Stein <John at qxccommunications.com> wrote:

> My 2-cents on this thread …
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> Having been in the commodity/derivative/equity trading businesses for 25 years before starting an ISP I concur that a Market will likely evolve for US IPv4.  The fundamentals of Supply and Demand for IPv4 will prevail.  It’s probably happening already, akin to the “dark pools” of off-exchange trading that were siphoning large amounts of trading volume away from the regulated equity exchanges.  This community, including ARIN, can either embrace and guide this tectonic shift from single source of IP (ARIN) to a Market of IP address suppliers / consumers from the playing field or else be left with absolute control over  essentially an empty bag of allocations and watching the aftermarket activity from the sideline.
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> Of course those are not the only two options.
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> We could choose C: Open up the market by removing needs testing along the lines of what RIPE is doing and let the market work that out.
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> We could also D: Embrace and join the private market that has sprung up outside of ARIN and legitimize it and work closely with it at the policy level.  (This has the added benefit of improving the accuracy of the Database.)
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> There are probably other options.
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> On 14-06-06 08:21 AM, John Curran wrote:
> > On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:50 AM, Michael Peddemors <michael at linuxmagic.com> wrote:
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> >> Why don't we first of all all express our simple votes..
> >> 
> >> A) Leave the current system alone, and let the free market work it
> >> out
> >> B) Enpower ARIN with more abilities to 'judge' who gets the remaining
> >> space
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> > Michael -
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> >     In particular, there are the requirements for receiving space from the regional
> >     free pool versus requirements for being a recipient of a market transfer.
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> Understood of course, however I believe a consensus or even a productive conversation in either case can't be had, unless the community first agrees in principle to a fundamental change in ARIN's role, where it is transfer's or allocation of new IP(s).
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