[arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

CJ Aronson cja at daydream.com
Wed Jun 4 22:31:50 EDT 2014


Let's be clear.. the RIPE NCC will only give a one-time /22 for your 1600
Euros/year.   RIPE has always made applicants prove a business presense in
the region and I believe that's what the
"

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   The name of the "Chamber of Commerce" where your company is registered
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      For example, Companies House, KvK etc."

Is referring to.  The link is here for your reference:
http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/member-support/become-a-member/application

You'll have to apply and see.

If you want more than a /22 you'll have to go to the transfer market.

----Cathy


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Elvis Velea <elvis at velea.eu> wrote:

>  Hi John,
>
>
> On 05/06/14 04:05, John Von Stein wrote:
>
>  Elvis,
>
>
>
> So does that mean a US based ISP such as QxC wanted / needed an additional
> IPv4 allocation we could simply go to RIPE and get the IPv4 we want/need?
>
>
> yup :) and only for €1600/year and with no transfer fees :)
>
> cheers,
> elvis
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>
>
> Thank you,
>
> John W. Von Stein
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
> <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>] On Behalf Of Elvis Velea
> Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:35 PM
> To: David Huberman
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers
>
>
>
> Hi David,
>
>
>
> even further... for those that do not know yet, any legal or private
> person can become a member of the RIPE NCC while the ARIN
> policies/procedures still require a company to have a legal presence in the
> ARIN region in order to request resources.
>
>
>
> And, btw.. have I already mentioned that the RIPE Community has completely
> removed the demonstrated need from their policy? I think I was only
> discussing this matter in the APNIC mailing lists and maybe those
> subscribed to this mailing list should also be aware of.
>
>
>
> cheers,
>
> elvis
>
>
>
> On 05/06/14 03:30, David Huberman wrote:
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> > I agree completely, Elvis.  There's an argument to be made that if ARIN
> won't be flexible with transfer policy, that RIPE becomes the most useful
> RIR for operators to work within.  There's a further argument that's been
> made that the time for regional IRs may be passed (past?) and that IETF
> should review the situation.
>
> >
>
> > David R Huberman
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> > Microsoft Corporation
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> > Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS)
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> >
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> > ________________________________________
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> > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on
>
> > behalf of Elvis Velea <elvis at velea.eu>
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 6:21:52 PM
>
> > To: arin-ppml at arin.net
>
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers
>
> >
>
> > Hi David,
>
> >
>
> > On 05/06/14 02:21, David Huberman wrote:
>
> >> We're going to be a cross-roads very soon.  ARIN is going to exhaust,
> and network operators will be unable to obtain additional IPv4 address
> blocks from ARIN.  At that point, the most obvious solution for IPv4 needs
> will be the market.
>
> > And then, they will be able to register as RIPE NCC members (LIRs) and
>
> > receive as many IP addresses as they want without having to prove any
>
> > demonstrated need. All they will need to do is to confirm that they
>
> > will use these addresses for themselves or their customers.
>
> >
>
> >>    Proper stewardship of the ARIN function demands that ARIN policy
> adjust to what happens in the market.  It's not the other way around, if
> only because that's not how markets work.
>
> >>
>
> >> The ARIN CEO, ARIN's General Counsel, the Harvard economist ARIN pays,
> professors who study markets, brokers who operate in the market, and buyers
> and sellers who buy and sell in the market have all told the ARIN community
> the same story for around 5 years now: the market is going to act as a
> market, and ARIN policy needs to be ready for it; ARIN policy needs to make
> sense with the dynamics of the market.
>
> >>
>
> >> It's hard to know how to argue with operators like Owen and the
>
> >> Google folks who all say the opposite; that ARIN policy should stick
>
> >> to the same ideals as 1995 (important ideals for a very long time!)
>
> >> and not adjust.  I fear the results of this kind of ostracism :(
>
> > Well, then let them slowly kill the ARIN function. If all ARIN members
>
> > can no longer get resources and they stop paying and go to the
>
> > cheapest RIR (which btw is RIPE NCC with EUR1600/year no matter how
>
> > many resources one has) and get as many resources they want... what do
>
> > you think will happen?
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> >
>
> > cheers,
>
> > elvis
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> >
>
> >
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