[arin-ppml] proposal 2013-8

Rudolph Daniel rudi.daniel at gmail.com
Thu Jan 23 05:32:41 EST 2014


I support the proposal as seen

Rudi Daniel
(information technologist)
784 430 9235
On Jan 22, 2014 6:41 PM, <arin-ppml-request at arin.net> wrote:

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>    1. Re: NRPM Policies 4.6 and 4.7 Suspended by ARIN Board
>       (John Curran)
>    2. Re: [arin-council] FW: Section 4.4 Micro Allocation
>       Conservation Update (prop-200) (Martin Hannigan)
>    3. Policy Proposal 2013-8 Subsequent Allocations for Additional
>       Distrete Network Sites (CJ Aronson)
>    4. Re: Policy Proposal 2013-8 Subsequent Allocations for
>       Additional Distrete Network Sites (Andrew Dul)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 06:51:38 +0000
> From: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
> To: Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com>
> Cc: "arin-ppml at arin.net" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] NRPM Policies 4.6 and 4.7 Suspended by ARIN
>         Board
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> > On Jan 21, 2014, at 7:19 PM, Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > It should include a reason why policy needed to be suspended
> unilaterally and clear competitive support. ARIN has real anti trust
> concerns I worry about as a member.   The AC is %company heavy in some
> respects.  We want to make sure this is clean.
>
> I have suggested to the AC that their recommendation take
> the form of a draft policy which would go through the normal
> policy development process (including Public Policy meeting
> deliberation and advancement based on community support.)
>
> FYI,
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 23:27:37 -1000
> From: Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com>
> To: Andrew Dul <andrew.dul at quark.net>
> Cc: "arin-ppml at arin.net" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-council] FW: Section 4.4 Micro
>         Allocation Conservation Update (prop-200)
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> Andrew,
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Andrew Dul <andrew.dul at quark.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Marty,
> >
> > We'll be discussing this at the AC meeting next week.  The 2 to 3
> > participants part is pretty straight forward change.  The fee schedule
> >
>
> The majority of IXP operators in North America agree.
>
> part, we'll likely have to discuss if that is in scope for the PDP, if
> > not, that part would have to be moved out of the PDP process and
> > probably should be moved to the consultation process.
>
>
>
> I'm surprised at your comment since the existing policy says this:
>
> "ISPs and other organizations receiving these micro-allocations will be
> charged under the ISP fee schedule, while end-users will be charged under
> the fee schedule for end-users. "
>
> Why wasn't that moved out of the process? Regardless, I'm not particularly
> hung up on that as long as there is clarity as to who gets a "extra"
> benefit and who does not. The current language is indiscernible.
>
> Best,
>
> -M<
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> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 15:21:14 -0700
> From: CJ Aronson <cja at daydream.com>
> To: "arin-ppml at arin.net" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Subject: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2013-8 Subsequent Allocations for
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> Hi everyone,
>
> If you have feedback on this proposal please send it to this list.  We will
> also be discussing the policy proposal at the upcoming PPC.
>
> Thanks!
> ----Cathy
>
>
> *Policy Proposal 2013-8 Subsequent Allocations for Additional Distrete
> Network Sites*
>
> *Problem Statement:*
>
> During the ARIN 32 PPM, ARIN staff noted in the Policy Implementation and
> Experience Report that the current Multiple Discrete Network Policy (MDN)
> does not contain criteria for new sites of an existing MDN customer.
>
> Current ARIN practice is to use the Immediate Need policy (NRPM 4.2.1.6).
>
> This policy proposal seeks to add NRPM text to clarify criteria for new
> sites of existing MDN customers.
>
>
>
> *Policy Statement:*
>
> IPv4:
>
> Add the following statement to section 4.5.4.
>
> Upon verification that the organization has already obtained connectivity
> at its new discrete network site, the new networks shall be allocated the
> minimum allocation size under section 4.2.1.5 unless the organization can
> demonstrate additional need using the immediate need criteria (4.2.1.6).
>
> IPv6:
>
> Add an additional reference to section 6.11.5.b such that it references
> both the initial allocation and subsequent allocation sections of the IPv6
> LIR policy.
>
> "Each network will be judged against the existing utilization criteria
> specified in 6.5.2 and 6.5.3 as if it were a separate organization..."
>
>
>
> *Comments*:
>
> a. Timetable for implementation: immediate
>
> b. This policy is being proposed based upon the Policy Implementation &
> Experience Report from ARIN 32.
>
>
> https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_32/PDF/thursday/nobile-policy.pdf
>
> c: Older versions of the MDN policy did contain new network criteria. This
> criteria appears to have been dropped during subsequent rewrites of the MDN
> policy. "The organization must not allocate a CIDR block larger than the
> current minimum assignment size of the RIR (currently /20 for ARIN) to a
> new network." (https://www.arin.net/policy/archive/nrpm_20041015.pdf)
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 14:29:35 -0800
> From: Andrew Dul <andrew.dul at quark.net>
> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2013-8 Subsequent Allocations
>         for Additional Distrete Network Sites
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> As the originator of this policy proposal, I support this draft as written.
>
> Andrew
>
> On 1/22/2014 2:21 PM, CJ Aronson wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > If you have feedback on this proposal please send it to this list.  We
> > will also be discussing the policy proposal at the upcoming PPC.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > ----Cathy
> >
> > *Policy Proposal 2013-8 Subsequent Allocations for Additional Distrete
> > Network Sites
> > *
> >
> > *Problem Statement:*
> >
> > During the ARIN 32 PPM, ARIN staff noted in the Policy Implementation
> > and Experience Report that the current Multiple Discrete Network
> > Policy (MDN) does not contain criteria for new sites of an existing
> > MDN customer.
> >
> > Current ARIN practice is to use the Immediate Need policy (NRPM 4.2.1.6).
> >
> > This policy proposal seeks to add NRPM text to clarify criteria for
> > new sites of existing MDN customers.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Policy Statement:*
> >
> > IPv4:
> >
> > Add the following statement to section 4.5.4.
> >
> > Upon verification that the organization has already obtained
> > connectivity at its new discrete network site, the new networks shall
> > be allocated the minimum allocation size under section 4.2.1.5 unless
> > the organization can demonstrate additional need using the immediate
> > need criteria (4.2.1.6).
> >
> > IPv6:
> >
> > Add an additional reference to section 6.11.5.b such that it
> > references both the initial allocation and subsequent allocation
> > sections of the IPv6 LIR policy.
> >
> > "Each network will be judged against the existing utilization criteria
> > specified in 6.5.2 and 6.5.3 as if it were a separate organization..."
> >
> >
> >
> > *Comments*:
> >
> > a. Timetable for implementation: immediate
> >
> > b. This policy is being proposed based upon the Policy Implementation
> > & Experience Report from ARIN 32.
> >
> >
> https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_32/PDF/thursday/nobile-policy.pdf
> >
> > c: Older versions of the MDN policy did contain new network criteria.
> > This criteria appears to have been dropped during subsequent rewrites
> > of the MDN policy. "The organization must not allocate a CIDR block
> > larger than the current minimum assignment size of the RIR (currently
> > /20 for ARIN) to a new network."
> > (https://www.arin.net/policy/archive/nrpm_20041015.pdf)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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