<p dir="ltr">I support the proposal as seen</p>
<p dir="ltr">Rudi Daniel <br>
(information technologist)<br>
784 430 9235</p>
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1. Re: NRPM Policies 4.6 and 4.7 Suspended by ARIN Board<br>
(John Curran)<br>
2. Re: [arin-council] FW: Section 4.4 Micro Allocation<br>
Conservation Update (prop-200) (Martin Hannigan)<br>
3. Policy Proposal 2013-8 Subsequent Allocations for Additional<br>
Distrete Network Sites (CJ Aronson)<br>
4. Re: Policy Proposal 2013-8 Subsequent Allocations for<br>
Additional Distrete Network Sites (Andrew Dul)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 06:51:38 +0000<br>
From: John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net">jcurran@arin.net</a>><br>
To: Martin Hannigan <<a href="mailto:hannigan@gmail.com">hannigan@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: "<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] NRPM Policies 4.6 and 4.7 Suspended by ARIN<br>
Board<br>
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> On Jan 21, 2014, at 7:19 PM, Martin Hannigan <<a href="mailto:hannigan@gmail.com">hannigan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> It should include a reason why policy needed to be suspended unilaterally and clear competitive support. ARIN has real anti trust concerns I worry about as a member. The AC is %company heavy in some respects. We want to make sure this is clean.<br>
<br>
I have suggested to the AC that their recommendation take<br>
the form of a draft policy which would go through the normal<br>
policy development process (including Public Policy meeting<br>
deliberation and advancement based on community support.)<br>
<br>
FYI,<br>
/John<br>
<br>
John Curran<br>
President and CEO<br>
ARIN<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 23:27:37 -1000<br>
From: Martin Hannigan <<a href="mailto:hannigan@gmail.com">hannigan@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Andrew Dul <<a href="mailto:andrew.dul@quark.net">andrew.dul@quark.net</a>><br>
Cc: "<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-council] FW: Section 4.4 Micro<br>
Allocation Conservation Update (prop-200)<br>
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Andrew,<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Andrew Dul <<a href="mailto:andrew.dul@quark.net">andrew.dul@quark.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi Marty,<br>
><br>
> We'll be discussing this at the AC meeting next week. The 2 to 3<br>
> participants part is pretty straight forward change. The fee schedule<br>
><br>
<br>
The majority of IXP operators in North America agree.<br>
<br>
part, we'll likely have to discuss if that is in scope for the PDP, if<br>
> not, that part would have to be moved out of the PDP process and<br>
> probably should be moved to the consultation process.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I'm surprised at your comment since the existing policy says this:<br>
<br>
"ISPs and other organizations receiving these micro-allocations will be<br>
charged under the ISP fee schedule, while end-users will be charged under<br>
the fee schedule for end-users. "<br>
<br>
Why wasn't that moved out of the process? Regardless, I'm not particularly<br>
hung up on that as long as there is clarity as to who gets a "extra"<br>
benefit and who does not. The current language is indiscernible.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
-M<<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 15:21:14 -0700<br>
From: CJ Aronson <<a href="mailto:cja@daydream.com">cja@daydream.com</a>><br>
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Subject: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2013-8 Subsequent Allocations for<br>
Additional Distrete Network Sites<br>
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Hi everyone,<br>
<br>
If you have feedback on this proposal please send it to this list. We will<br>
also be discussing the policy proposal at the upcoming PPC.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
----Cathy<br>
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*Policy Proposal 2013-8 Subsequent Allocations for Additional Distrete<br>
Network Sites*<br>
<br>
*Problem Statement:*<br>
<br>
During the ARIN 32 PPM, ARIN staff noted in the Policy Implementation and<br>
Experience Report that the current Multiple Discrete Network Policy (MDN)<br>
does not contain criteria for new sites of an existing MDN customer.<br>
<br>
Current ARIN practice is to use the Immediate Need policy (NRPM 4.2.1.6).<br>
<br>
This policy proposal seeks to add NRPM text to clarify criteria for new<br>
sites of existing MDN customers.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
*Policy Statement:*<br>
<br>
IPv4:<br>
<br>
Add the following statement to section 4.5.4.<br>
<br>
Upon verification that the organization has already obtained connectivity<br>
at its new discrete network site, the new networks shall be allocated the<br>
minimum allocation size under section 4.2.1.5 unless the organization can<br>
demonstrate additional need using the immediate need criteria (4.2.1.6).<br>
<br>
IPv6:<br>
<br>
Add an additional reference to section 6.11.5.b such that it references<br>
both the initial allocation and subsequent allocation sections of the IPv6<br>
LIR policy.<br>
<br>
"Each network will be judged against the existing utilization criteria<br>
specified in 6.5.2 and 6.5.3 as if it were a separate organization..."<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
*Comments*:<br>
<br>
a. Timetable for implementation: immediate<br>
<br>
b. This policy is being proposed based upon the Policy Implementation &<br>
Experience Report from ARIN 32.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_32/PDF/thursday/nobile-policy.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_32/PDF/thursday/nobile-policy.pdf</a><br>
<br>
c: Older versions of the MDN policy did contain new network criteria. This<br>
criteria appears to have been dropped during subsequent rewrites of the MDN<br>
policy. "The organization must not allocate a CIDR block larger than the<br>
current minimum assignment size of the RIR (currently /20 for ARIN) to a<br>
new network." (<a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/archive/nrpm_20041015.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/archive/nrpm_20041015.pdf</a>)<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 14:29:35 -0800<br>
From: Andrew Dul <<a href="mailto:andrew.dul@quark.net">andrew.dul@quark.net</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2013-8 Subsequent Allocations<br>
for Additional Distrete Network Sites<br>
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As the originator of this policy proposal, I support this draft as written.<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
On 1/22/2014 2:21 PM, CJ Aronson wrote:<br>
> Hi everyone,<br>
><br>
> If you have feedback on this proposal please send it to this list. We<br>
> will also be discussing the policy proposal at the upcoming PPC.<br>
><br>
> Thanks!<br>
> ----Cathy<br>
><br>
> *Policy Proposal 2013-8 Subsequent Allocations for Additional Distrete<br>
> Network Sites<br>
> *<br>
><br>
> *Problem Statement:*<br>
><br>
> During the ARIN 32 PPM, ARIN staff noted in the Policy Implementation<br>
> and Experience Report that the current Multiple Discrete Network<br>
> Policy (MDN) does not contain criteria for new sites of an existing<br>
> MDN customer.<br>
><br>
> Current ARIN practice is to use the Immediate Need policy (NRPM 4.2.1.6).<br>
><br>
> This policy proposal seeks to add NRPM text to clarify criteria for<br>
> new sites of existing MDN customers.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> *Policy Statement:*<br>
><br>
> IPv4:<br>
><br>
> Add the following statement to section 4.5.4.<br>
><br>
> Upon verification that the organization has already obtained<br>
> connectivity at its new discrete network site, the new networks shall<br>
> be allocated the minimum allocation size under section 4.2.1.5 unless<br>
> the organization can demonstrate additional need using the immediate<br>
> need criteria (4.2.1.6).<br>
><br>
> IPv6:<br>
><br>
> Add an additional reference to section 6.11.5.b such that it<br>
> references both the initial allocation and subsequent allocation<br>
> sections of the IPv6 LIR policy.<br>
><br>
> "Each network will be judged against the existing utilization criteria<br>
> specified in 6.5.2 and 6.5.3 as if it were a separate organization..."<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> *Comments*:<br>
><br>
> a. Timetable for implementation: immediate<br>
><br>
> b. This policy is being proposed based upon the Policy Implementation<br>
> & Experience Report from ARIN 32.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_32/PDF/thursday/nobile-policy.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_32/PDF/thursday/nobile-policy.pdf</a><br>
><br>
> c: Older versions of the MDN policy did contain new network criteria.<br>
> This criteria appears to have been dropped during subsequent rewrites<br>
> of the MDN policy. "The organization must not allocate a CIDR block<br>
> larger than the current minimum assignment size of the RIR (currently<br>
> /20 for ARIN) to a new network."<br>
> (<a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/archive/nrpm_20041015.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/archive/nrpm_20041015.pdf</a>)<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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