[arin-ppml] What the heck is OIX? (was RE: Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21: Modification to CI Pool Size per Section 4.4)
Matthew Petach
mpetach at netflight.com
Fri Dec 26 08:54:02 EST 2014
Keith--it's a way to cite support from 3rd-party
elements that aren't presented here, allowing
one to claim support without the rest of the
community having an easy way to debate
or disagree with that support. Somewhat
along the same lines as Steve's appeal
to the sentiments of the unvoiced masses
of small businesses.
Not that I'm disparaging the work Open-IX
does; it's a wonderful organization. But to
cite support from unrelated mailing lists
seems akin to saying "but all my friends
on Facebook say I should be given a /8
without justification." It may in fact be true
that all your friends on facebook say that;
but is it relevant, and should it carry any
weight in the debates here? That's much
harder to pin down.
Putting it the other way around...would the
nice people on Open-IX change their rules
based on the comments that are made here?
Or would they be dismissed as not germane
to the decision? For better or for worse, I think
there's a strong current of "if they want their
voice to matter, they can come here and say
it where the rest of us are" present in just about
every purpose-specific mailing list.
If one were to create a mailing list of "concerned
small businesses advocating the propagation of
the internet", and on that mailing list, there was
unequivocal support for a flat IPv4 allocation
scheme; every org-ID gets a /16, regardless
of need (no matter how big or how small the
org), and all other space shall immediately
be reclaimed and redistributed to the rest
of the entities in the region--why, I dare say
we'd be quick to dismiss that mailing list
archive as not relevant, and not sufficient
evidence of community support to warrant
reclaiming massive amounts of IP space
from existing registrants.
In short (well, no, not really--I don't really seem
to do brevity well at all)--I think we need to be
very careful of accepting 3rd party support as
anything other than hearsay, and accord it the
same status as "hallway conversations" at
ARIN meetings; while they're nice to have,
and can help guide the shepherds in adjusting
wording of proposals, I don't think they should
carry any weight in the voting and decision
process.
Thanks!
Matt
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Keith W. Hare <Keith at jcc.com> wrote:
> Martin,
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> So, what the heck is OIX, and why do I care about discussions there?
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> A quick web search for OIX gives me:
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> · Open Identify Exchange
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> · Online Incentives Exchange
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> · Open Identity Exchange UK
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> · Open-IX Association
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> · Etc.
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> The Urban Dictionary defines Oix as “Officially a word you are allowed to
> use in scrabble when you are out of letters at the very end and this is all
> you have left.”
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> From what I know about OIX without diving into random web pages, this
> definition seems the most appropriate.
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> Keith
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> *From:* arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] *On
> Behalf Of *Martin Hannigan
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 25, 2014 7:27 PM
> *To:* Owen DeLong; David Farmer; Scott Leibrand
> *Cc:* arin-ppml at arin.net
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21: Modification to CI
> Pool Size per Section 4.4
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> I'll point this list at a public viewable URL to a proper thread there.
> Not sure why people need to actually subscribe, either way. I also can't
> force (and won't advocate) people to waste their time like that on either
> list.
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> There are AC members there. They too can report their observations back
> to the Politburo. I'm sure you'll be well informed.
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> Best,
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> -M<
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> On Dec 25, 2014, at 18:53, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
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> I’m not part of the OIX discussions, so I certainly won’t be considering
> anything from OIX that isn’t posted to PPML in any of my deliberations on
> policy.
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> Owen
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> On Dec 23, 2014, at 20:22 , Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> For future comments from OIX participants, it will also be helpful to
> include PPML, so any discussion of policy pros and cons can occur directly,
> and there isn't any further unnecessary back and forth (and potentially
> delays) due to inconsistent assumptions. (I saw a fair bit of that watching
> the two independent discussions so far.)
>
> -Scott
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> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:22 PM David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
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> On 12/23/14, 17:08 , Martin Hannigan wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:57 PM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu
> > <mailto:farmer at umn.edu>> wrote:
> ...
> > I went back and reviewed the thread, there was some support for the
> > ideas that spawned the proposal, but no specific text was posted at
> > that time. Since the Draft Policy and the specific text was posted
> > there has now been two statements of support and no opposition.
> >
> > Its fair to expect that the OIX commentary, documented in full public
> > view, should count as support. That would be more than two.
> ...
> > I'd be happy to work toward getting this to San Antonio as a
> > Recommended Draft Policy. However, the normal path would be Draft
> > in San Antonio and then Recommended Draft in San Francisco. So, to
> > justify accelerating this policy we need clear and strong support
> > from the community for this policy. Lukewarm support with no
> > opposition is not sufficient to take this to San Antonio as a
> > Recommended Draft Policy in my opinion as the shepherd.
> >
> > I'm happy to cross post and invade ppml rms style with OIX. That doesn't
> > seem necessary based on the transparency of our discussions.
>
> Personally, I'm happy to consider OIX commentary. Would you please
> provide me and PPML a link for the archives? Maybe a pointer to the
> appropriate threads too.
>
> Thanks
>
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