[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-6: Allocation of IPv4 andIPv6 Address Space to Out-of-region Requestors - Revised Problem Statementand Policy Text

[Steven Ryerse]

I agree with Blake and others that legal structure of org has no bearing on an allocation and thus should not be mentioned in policies.

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From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Blake Dunlap
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:38 AM
To: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-6: Allocation of IPv4 andIPv6 Address Space to Out-of-region Requestors - Revised Problem Statementand Policy Text

Why would we want to restrict from allocation to individuals if they can justify it? Very opposed to that alone, above and beyond my opposition to regional restrictions.
-Blake

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Brian Jones <bjones at vt.edu<mailto:bjones at vt.edu>> wrote:
+1 to your suggestion:


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This policy is not intended to have any retroactive effect.  It should not be construed to effect or invalidate any assignment or allocation previously made by ARIN, one of its predecessor registries, or any ISP or other LIR, based on good faith application information.  In particular direct assignments previously made to individuals are not invalidated by this policy.  However, this policy is intended to disallow any new assignment or allocation made directly to an individual person, as is current operational practice.
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On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:27 AM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu<mailto:farmer at umn.edu>> wrote:
On 9/12/13 21:41 , David Farmer wrote:
On 9/12/13 13:19 , William Herrin wrote:
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 5:25 PM, ARIN <info at arin.net<mailto:info at arin.net>> wrote:
X. Resource Justification within ARIN Region
Organizations requesting Internet number resources from ARIN must
provide proof that they (1) are an active business entity legally
operating within the ARIN service region, and

I am not an active business entity, hence my AS number registration
(AS 11875), used for multihomed network entirely in the U.S. State of
Virginia would violate this policy as drafted.

I tend to think of that as a bad thing.

I don't believe individuals (as an individual person) are allowed to
request resources any longer.  A business could be a sole
proprietorship, and in every day terms there isn't that much difference,
but legally there is I believe.

But, your historical individual assignment isn't intended to be in
violation of this policy.  The policy is intended to apply to requesting
(new or additional) resources.  Just as it is intended to apply to how
you justify resources, not how you use them in your network once
allocated or assigned.

Thinking about this a little more, this policy is not intended to be an ex post facto rule, nor in general do I think it is appropriate for any policy to have retroactive effect without some extraordinary reason and justification for such an effect.  Furthermore, I don't think ARIN staff would consider any policy to have retroactive effect without very explicit direction from the community that a policy should have such an effect, and calling that out in the staff and legal review.

For an abundance of clarity I'd be happy to add something like the following in the Advisory Council Comments section before the text freeze;

This policy is not intended to have any retroactive effect.  It should not be construed to effect or invalidate any assignment or allocation previously made by ARIN, one of its predecessor registries, or any ISP or other LIR, based on good faith application information.  In particular direct assignments previously made to individuals are not invalidated by this policy.  However, this policy is intended to disallow any new assignment or allocation made directly to an individual person, as is current operational practice.


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