[arin-ppml] more - Draft Policy ARIN-2013-6: Allocation of IPv4 and IPv6 Address Space to Out-of-region Requestors - Revised -

[John Curran]

On Oct 8, 2013, at 8:03 PM, Frank Bulk <frnkblk at iname.com<mailto:frnkblk at iname.com>> wrote:

As others have pointed out at the PPC and in this discussion, virtualization is here to stay, and it doesn’t make sense that ARIN staff’s practices don’t line up with reality if the NPRM doesn’t preclude that.  The NPRM only talks about hosts, devices, and infrastructure.

We have many service providers using virtualization with no problem at all; it is completely
compatible with ARIN's policies.

To be clear, the policy manual discusses IP address _for customers_, and that is what
is described under NRPM 4.2 (allocations to ISPs).  New requests are verified based on
documenting the assignment of the address space of the last block out to individual
customers.  Those customers can be on dedicated servers, shared servers, virtual
servers, or anything else.

  I don’t believe there is anything that requires a physical host or physical infrastructure (i.e. load balancer).  Rather than disallow virtualized hosts or infrastructure from contributing to a host count, why not require the requestor to provide some documentation of the validity of these virtualized hosts, perhaps through invoices showing that Customer A had an average of 30 servers and a peak of 45 servers in the last month, Customer B had an average of 10 servers and a peak of 50 servers in the last month, etc, and then some aggregate data that shows many virtualized servers operated on average and at peak.  It seems that in general the community trusts ARIN staff to sniff out abuse – and if initially the requestors are required to show the last 3 or 6 or 9 months of invoices or virtualization data, that’s a lot better than the current practice of not being willing to count them at all.

Additional allocations are not based on equipment, but on utilization of the last IP address
block via assignments to customers.  If ISP A gets to 80% because of great virtual hosting
sales, they can come get new addresses, regardless of the actual technology used.  It is
true that if an ISP bought some equipment and used the addresses to turn it up, we'll consider
those IP addresses assigned as well, but primary driver is documented customer assignments.

FYI,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN

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