[arin-ppml] Out-of-region overreaction?

Martin Hannigan hannigan at gmail.com
Sun Oct 6 14:10:36 EDT 2013


On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:17 PM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:

> On 10/4/13 15:31 , Frank Bulk wrote:
>
>> I was requesting some ISP IPv6 space and the kindly ARIN staff posted this
>> in their response:
>>
>>         Please reply and verify that you will be using
>>         the requested number resources within the ARIN region
>>         and announcing all routing prefixes of the requested
>>         space from within the ARIN region. In accordance with
>>         section 2.2 of the NRPM, ARIN issues number resources
>>         only for use within its region. ARIN is therefore only
>>         able to provide for your in-region numbering needs.
>>
>> I'm familiar with the concern about out-of-region folk taking advantage of
>> ARIN's current IPv4 supply, but I have a few concerns about the wording of
>> the staff communication.
>>
>> a) It's been my understanding thus far that if I'm an ISP that provides
>> service in multiple places around the world that I may divide my
>> allocation
>> into smaller prefixes and advertise those to area peers.  It seems ARIN
>> staff would preclude me from doing any of that.  "All" is a pretty strong
>> word, and if ARIN really believes it, a lot of violators could be found.
>>
>> b) It seems that Section 2.2 of the NRPM is being misapplied.
>>         2.2. Regional Internet Registry (RIR)
>>
>>         Regional Internet Registries (RIRs) are established and
>>         authorized by respective regional communities, and
>>         recognized by the IANA to serve and represent large
>>         geographical regions. The primary role of RIRs is to
>>         manage and distribute public Internet address space
>>         within their respective regions.
>>
>> While ARIN does issue numbers within its region, section 2.2 does not say
>> "only for use".  If an "only" had be applied, I would suggest that it's
>> "only manage and distribute".
>>
>> If I could be so bold, I'd suggest ARIN to use language something along
>> these lines in their communications:
>>
>>         Please reply and verify that you will be using
>>         the requested number resources primarily within the
>>         ARIN region and announcing the majority of routing prefixes
>>         of the requested space from within the ARIN region.
>>         In accordance with section 2.2 of the NRPM, ARIN issues
>>         number resources within its region.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>
> Staff has called out this issue several times in the past couple years,
> and the community has failed to provide any guidance via policy several
> times.


That's nice, but perhaps we don't want them to do anything even if they
want to? That's why we repeatedly reject proposals such as this and others
that typically are attempted to be wedged in under Section 12. This may as
well be one of those. ARIN already has the power to do the right thing if
they thing that there are nefarious activities happening and they can also
validate subscribed information to their hearts content.

Feel free to explain the problem again?

I am +1, this is an over reaction.

Best,

-M<
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