[arin-ppml] Clean up definition of LIR/ISP vs. end-user

[Steven Ryerse]

So you didn't fully answer my question.

In other words, are the needs based policies that are being enforced by Arin on organizations requesting a relatively small block - ALWAYS EQUALLY APPLIED to organizations requesting relatively larger sized blocks?  Note that I am not asking about unusual cases such as bankruptcy proceedings and such.


From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran at arin.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:34 PM
To: Steven Ryerse
Cc: ARIN-PPML List
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Clean up definition of LIR/ISP vs. end-user

On Apr 30, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com<mailto:SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com>>
 wrote:


So then the logical question that I would ask is:  As a matter of current policy and practice does Arin first require an organization that requests say a /17 to request one first from a larger say /12 upstream before Arin will allocate the block, or maybe a /14 from an upstream /8, or /whatever from a larger upstream /whatever?  What if the larger upstream refuses the smaller organization the requested size block?  Does Arin require larger allocation holders to honor smaller allocation requests as a condition of their allocation?  What about an organization who runs BGP and needs an independent block but their upstream doesn't want to permanently give them what they consider a large portion of their own assigned block because it is somewhat difficult for them to get more resources from Arin?

And most importantly if this is current policy, does Arin actually enforce it every time for every organization no matter what their size or the size of their request?  If not then fair is fair and everyone should be treated equally albeit adjusted for their size and the size of their request.

Steven -

  There is an initial allocation policy (which ISPs must meet to receive their first
  allocation from ARIN), and then there is additional ISP allocation policy applies
  to all future requests.  This is regardless of the size of the request or size of the
  organization requesting.

FYI,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN


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