[arin-ppml] Initial ISP Allocation Policy

George Herbert george.herbert at gmail.com
Wed Jul 17 18:24:32 EDT 2013


On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:30 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 17, 2013, at 4:34 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
> >> What about Comcast? They're in the business of providing cable
> >> television service. They'll also provide you with Internet access on
> >> the same coax cable with the modem they rent you.
> >>
> >> ISP or end-user?
> >
> > The service is intended to be used to connect customer-owned
> > equipment to the internet. As such, they are clearly in the LIR/ISP
> realm.
>
> Starbucks, Hilton, they have large sections of the operation dedicated
> to connecting customer-owned equipment to the Internet. You said:
>
> > Each Starbucks itself is more like an end-user. They never register the
> > addresses to the users and the users are making very transient use of
> those addresses.
>
> So does that mean that an ISP generally leases Internet service monthy
> or yearly but and end-user only leases Internet service hourly or
> daily?
>
> -Bill


There was (still is, but not as commonly used) a distinction which is
useful in this discussion -

"Network Service Provider" - provides network blocks to people
"Internet Service Provider" - provides individual internet access of some
sort

(big) end user would be providing either or both to internal systems /
customer groups, depending on interior routing / subnetting / network
management.

There are other definitions of those, but those are relevant.  In IPv6 land
it gets more complicated, with /64 at least and usually /56s going to
individuals, but they may be getting those dynamically and for a single
endpoint device and some fudging of the boundary has happened there.  But
there's still clearly a "this is SWIPed netblock to a network customer" vs
"this is an individual end user / end device".

$COFFEESHOP central networking may allocate a netblock to each location,
but they're internal customers not external.  One can make the case that
the individual access then makes the overall organization an ISP from there.

$HOTELCHAIN central networking - same thing.



-- 
-george william herbert
george.herbert at gmail.com
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