<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:30 PM, William Herrin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank">bill@herrin.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Jul 17, 2013, at 4:34 PM, William Herrin <<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">bill@herrin.us</a>> wrote:<br>
</div><div class="im">>> What about Comcast? They're in the business of providing cable<br>
>> television service. They'll also provide you with Internet access on<br>
>> the same coax cable with the modem they rent you.<br>
>><br>
>> ISP or end-user?<br>
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> The service is intended to be used to connect customer-owned<br>
> equipment to the internet. As such, they are clearly in the LIR/ISP realm.<br>
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</div>Starbucks, Hilton, they have large sections of the operation dedicated<br>
<div class="im">to connecting customer-owned equipment to the Internet. You said:<br>
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> Each Starbucks itself is more like an end-user. They never register the<br>
> addresses to the users and the users are making very transient use of those addresses.<br>
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</div>So does that mean that an ISP generally leases Internet service monthy<br>
or yearly but and end-user only leases Internet service hourly or<br>
daily?<br>
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-Bill</blockquote><div><br></div><div>There was (still is, but not as commonly used) a distinction which is useful in this discussion -</div><div><br></div><div>"Network Service Provider" - provides network blocks to people</div>
<div>"Internet Service Provider" - provides individual internet access of some sort</div><div> </div><div>(big) end user would be providing either or both to internal systems / customer groups, depending on interior routing / subnetting / network management.</div>
<div><br></div></div>There are other definitions of those, but those are relevant. In IPv6 land it gets more complicated, with /64 at least and usually /56s going to individuals, but they may be getting those dynamically and for a single endpoint device and some fudging of the boundary has happened there. But there's still clearly a "this is SWIPed netblock to a network customer" vs "this is an individual end user / end device".<br>
<br>$COFFEESHOP central networking may allocate a netblock to each location, but they're internal customers not external. One can make the case that the individual access then makes the overall organization an ISP from there.<div>
<br></div><div>$HOTELCHAIN central networking - same thing. <br><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>-george william herbert<br><a href="mailto:george.herbert@gmail.com">george.herbert@gmail.com</a>
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