[arin-ppml] Initial ISP Allocation Policy

David Farmer farmer at umn.edu
Wed Jul 17 17:30:51 EDT 2013

On 7/17/13 16:13 , William Herrin wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 17, 2013, at 2:36 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>>> Google assignes IP addresses to its servers for SSL. Google owns the
>>> servers. The servers cache content from other servers they don't own
>>> and index it for searching by google users.
>>> ISP or end-user? Why?
>> Same answer as for Akamai and for the same reasons.
>> OTOH, if you asked about Google Fiber, then clearly that is an ISP and it is a different situation.
> Google Fiber is a small part of the company. Should they have to
> register with ARIN separately just for that one small piece?

Should they have to no.  But they very well may want to for any number 
of reasons, that go way beyond RIR policy issues.

There are many organizations that have multiple business units that 
independently register as separate organizations with ARIN or the other 
RIRs, it seems reasonable that some of those logically separate 
organizations could be ISPs and others could be end-users. This 
flexibility should not be eliminated either, so let's be careful.

A quick reminder, for many reasons it is better if we don't call out 
specific organization names in examples on PPML.  Yes, it can make your 
examples more clear, but you also risk mis-characterizing the situation 
of real organizations.  And, worst case you can even go as far as 
creating legal issues.  If possible it is better to avoid specific 
organization names.


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