[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: Fair Distribution

[Jason Schiller]

David,

I took the liberty or changing the subject to "Fair Distribution" in order
to make this a
completely separate thread allowing the other conversation to continue
(possibly at a later
time) without getting tangled up with this one.

Comments in line,

__Jason

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:58 PM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:

> I really don't understand this debate on Conservation. :{
>
> There are some that seem to be claim that conservation is irrelevant with
> IPv4 free pool run-out.
>
> I say so what!  We still have IPv6 and ASNs to worry about, and while both
> resource pools are GARGANTUAN by comparison, they are not infinite.
>  Therefore some concept of conservation remains necessary, obviously not
> the same concept that we have had in IPv4 for the last 20 years or so.
>  But, completely eliminating conservation as a concept, principle, or goal,
> of how we manage Internet number resources, seems like the proverbial
> "throwing the baby out with the bath water."
>
> Then others are not willing to concede that anything changes with IPv4
> run-out.
>
> I'll can say I really hope something changes, the focus on conservation
> that became necessary in the late '90s for IPv4, has nearly lead to the
> abandonment of other principles like the end-to-end model, open
> availability of resources (anyone building a network should be able to get
> unique addresses), etc...
>
> So how do we move forward? I suggest;
>
> 1. Can everyone concede that going forward, conservation is much less
> important, but that the need for some concept of conservation doesn't
> completely go away either.
>
>
Assuming this is true, then the section on stewardship and balancing allows
for the community  to find the right level, and modify ARIN policy
accordingly.


> 2. Lets focus the conversation on other issues for a while, let this cool
> down a little, then come back to it after we've cooled down and maybe have
> resolved some of the other issues.
>
>
Personally, I'm hoping to see the staff assessment soon, and hoping we can
make a list
of all the current practices that would be modified if this draft policy is
implemented,
and try to make sure the community aggress those practices should not change
and modify the draft accordingly.


> 3. Are there other concepts, principles, or goals that were missing?  I
> suggested earlier that there were additional principles we should be
> looking at.  An candidates has come up in the conversation today that I
> would like to propose;
>
>    0.2 Fair Distribution
>
>    The principle of Fair Distribution is the precept that the
>    fundamental purpose of Internet number resources management is to
>    distributed unique number resources in a fair and impartial manner
>    to entities building and operating networks, for benefit of all
>    Internet users equally, and thereby facilitating the growth and
>    sustainability of the Internet.
>
>
I would not oppose the suggested text.


> I'd make this #2 behind Registration, and I'd suggest Conservation could
> follow and ties into this principle through the concepts of "fairness" and
> "sustainability"
>
>
I'm not sure ordering matters... These are not stack ranked where the most
important
 principle is followed to the detriment of the others.  Hence the section
on stewardship
and suggestion of balancing.

But OK, if the community wants it to be #2 I see no issue.


> Thanks
>
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