[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles - revised

Paul Vixie paul at redbarn.org
Thu Jul 11 12:42:17 EDT 2013

cb.list6 wrote:
> >
> > > I am still against the proposal.
> >
> > As is your right.
> >
> Who would benefit from hoarding?

someone with an inventory they'd like to increase the value of. for
example, see "california, electricity, enron".

> Hoarding seems like economic "dumping", there are rules and policies
> around it, but it has never really occured because the economics are
> wrong. The market ensures dumping does not occur.

hoarding may seem like dumping to you but that's nobody's assertion here
so let's not debate it.

> Or like the FUD about walmart driving local business out and then
> jacking up prices after competition is gone, its just fud. People made
> a big noise about it 20 years ago, not any more. 
> I think the market is only interestes in transactions. Ipv4 addresses
> are like most cars, they depreciate rapidly so hoarding is not a real
> thing.

those statements are fantastically naive.

> And, with google fiber at 77% ipv6 and vzw over 25%, i must say i
> would no hoard ipv4. 

well, that's you.

> But, my ask is, lets not assume hoarding or threats to ipv4 by bad
> actors unless there is a real case that applies.

that argument often accompanies proposals involving deregulation. the
invisible hand of the market sometimes does a lot of public harm before
it's restrainted. see "greenhouse gas effect". let's instead use sound
judgement when deciding our policies.

> Afaik, arin brought transfers in to increase efficiency

indeed so, and if that goal hasn't been met, then by all means let's
continue fine tuning the transfer mechanism.


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