[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles - revised

Bill Darte billdarte at gmail.com
Tue Jul 9 21:39:16 EDT 2013


+1 except that the relevance of government(s) comes into play if the
industry cannot adequately govern itself in a way which comes close to a
general goodness.

bd


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>wrote:

> The question I would ask is: Who cares?
>
> IMO government authority is only relevant when determining that the RIRs
> are properly the steward of all Internet number resources.  But when it
> comes the actual principles of stewardship, those IMO come from the needs
> of the Internet community, as expressed by those participating in the
> policy development process.  I don't think governmental authority is
> relevant there at all.
>
> -Scott (speaking only for myself)
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams <
> ebw at abenaki.wabanaki.net> wrote:
>
>> On 7/9/13 11:19 AM, Chris Grundemann wrote:
>> > I hope that helps clear up any lingering confusion.
>>
>> Probably not. I seem to be stuck in a rut.
>>
>> The purpose of an agency of government in allocating from an asset
>> created by the government was not limited to the momentary authority
>> of the agency, but was, like the authority of the agency, renewable,
>> transferable to other agencies of government, and under defined
>> procedures, delegable.
>>
>> This purpose, neither finite nor infinite, was renewed, transferred
>> and eventually delegated, and our discussion concerns the policies and
>> procedures for allocation, and recovery, of values in a 32 bit range,
>> consistent with the purpose of government at the point of delegation.
>> This purpose forms the "principles" of the delegee, an RIR.
>>
>> I do appreciate you've made the point that "conservation" is a
>> mechanism, possibly non-unique, which may implement the continuing
>> purpose of government of allocation, upon reasonable utility, of
>> routable allocations of identifiers.
>>
>> Equi-Cheers,
>> Eric
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