<div dir="ltr">+1 except that the relevance of government(s) comes into play if the industry cannot adequately govern itself in a way which comes close to a general goodness.<br><br>bd<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Scott Leibrand <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com" target="_blank">scottleibrand@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">The question I would ask is: Who cares?<div><br></div><div>IMO government authority is only relevant when determining that the RIRs are properly the steward of all Internet number resources. But when it comes the actual principles of stewardship, those IMO come from the needs of the Internet community, as expressed by those participating in the policy development process. I don't think governmental authority is relevant there at all.</div>
<div><br></div><div>-Scott (speaking only for myself)</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net" target="_blank">ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On 7/9/13 11:19 AM, Chris Grundemann wrote:<br>
> I hope that helps clear up any lingering confusion.<br>
<br>
</div>Probably not. I seem to be stuck in a rut.<br>
<br>
The purpose of an agency of government in allocating from an asset<br>
created by the government was not limited to the momentary authority<br>
of the agency, but was, like the authority of the agency, renewable,<br>
transferable to other agencies of government, and under defined<br>
procedures, delegable.<br>
<br>
This purpose, neither finite nor infinite, was renewed, transferred<br>
and eventually delegated, and our discussion concerns the policies and<br>
procedures for allocation, and recovery, of values in a 32 bit range,<br>
consistent with the purpose of government at the point of delegation.<br>
This purpose forms the "principles" of the delegee, an RIR.<br>
<br>
I do appreciate you've made the point that "conservation" is a<br>
mechanism, possibly non-unique, which may implement the continuing<br>
purpose of government of allocation, upon reasonable utility, of<br>
routable allocations of identifiers.<br>
<br>
Equi-Cheers,<br>
<div><div>Eric<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
PPML<br>
You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>
the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>
Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br>
<a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>
Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
PPML<br>
You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>
the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>
Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br>
<a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>
Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<br></blockquote></div><br></div>