[arin-ppml] 2013-5 LIR/ISP and End-user Definitions

Thu Aug 15 11:35:35 EDT 2013

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-----Original Message-----
From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of David Huberman
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:32 AM
To: arin-ppml at arin.net List (arin-ppml at arin.net)
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] 2013-5 LIR/ISP and End-user Definitions

Hello,

I do not support this draft policy as written below.  The text avoids the root of the problem trying to be solved: the notions of "ISP" and "end-user" are anachronisms in today's internetworking world.  In my opinion, there should be no such delineations.  Policy should treat networks as just that: networks.

Dan Alexander and I floated some of ideas on PPML last month, in the hopes of sparking some good ideas and conversation about how best to begin tearing down the ISP v. end-user walls.  If there is community interest in dealing with the myriad problems with current policy definitions of ISP and end-user, then I urge the community to work towards a NRPM that doesn't have separate classes of customers.

With regards,
David
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From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf of Kevin Blumberg <kevinb at thewire.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 7:51 AM
To: arin-ppml at arin.net List (arin-ppml at arin.net)
Subject: [arin-ppml] 2013-5 LIR/ISP and End-user Definitions

The Sheppard's and the author have been working on revising the policy text for 2013-5 based on feedback at the last PPC in New Orleans.

The primary issue with the existing policy text is that it would change the definition for existing end users and ISP's in unintended ways.

A revised text is being suggested and we are looking for feedback from the community.  The goal of the new text is to help staff in selecting which category a request should fall under. In the case of new technologies it would require the requestor to provide information when they are requesting via an End User template.

Proposed text:

Retain existing NRPM text.

Add to Section 2:

Any organization which does not clearly fit into one of the above categories shall be treated as an LIR/ISP for policy purposes.

Thanks,

Kevin Blumberg

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