[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-182 Update Residential Customer Definition to not exclude wireless as Residential Service

Scott Leibrand scottleibrand at gmail.com
Tue Oct 2 20:02:04 EDT 2012


The discussion to date seems to have focused on the Residential Customer
Privacy implications of this definition change.  However, I think the more
important change (and IIRC, what originally prompted Cameron to speak up)
was the fact that ARIN is only applying 4.2.3.7.3.1. Residential Market
Area (https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four2373) to wireline
technologies, whereas the same addressing challenges are present in
wireless deployments as well.  The relevant text in that section reads:

Initial allocations are based on total number of homes that could purchase
> the service in a given market area.
> Using SWIP or RWhois, residential access ISPs must show that they have
> reassigned at least 80% of their current address space, with a 50 to 80%
> utilization rate, in order to request additional addresses.


Cameron, is that accurate?

-Scott


On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Leif Sawyer <lsawyer at gci.com> wrote:

> Well, as a provider of Internet to residential and business users in rural
> Alaska, we don't have the option in many villages of wireline delivery.
>
> Therefore we use wireless delivery.  But this isn't "personal" nor
> "mobile" delivery, at least as far as my old eyes tell me...
>
> So, cleaning up vagaries of policy is in the best interest, n'est pas?
>
>
> Or maybe I'm misunderstanding some point in the thread?
> ---
>
>
> William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Cameron Byrne <cb.list6 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I would just like the policy to be the same for wireless and wireline
> > networks that sell service to individual people.
> >
> > I am not asking for any special provisions or changes to policy
> > itself, just change to the definition of a single term.
> >
> > Today, this clumsy word "residential" is used, and ARIN staff say
> > residential service implies wires to a house where somebody lives.
>
> Well, OK, if that's what ARIN staff say and it can't be fixed
> administratively then let's fix it in the policy. But let's be a
> little cautious about unintended consequences.
>
> The folks who wrote that policy put "personal" and "home" in there
> five different times because they wanted to be extra sure that ARIN
> staff wouldn't apply it to a broader use. Clarifying it to mean
> regardless of technology may not reopen that debate or the can of
> worms that went with it. Expanding it to a new user class, mobile
> users, probably does.
>
> I figure if you can fix the problem you've identified without
> reopening the debate then you've a better chance of getting the
> problem fixed. Am I wrong?
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
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