[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-174 Policies Apply to All Resourcesin the Registry

[Mike Burns]

Also not standard:

8.3 called for transfer from the seller to ARIN to be specifically transferred to the buyer. Did Nortel ever transfer addresses to ARIN?
8.3 called for a single block

And lest we all forget, stupid, stupid Microsoft paid $7.5 million for addresses which ARIN says they could have got from ARIN for free, because they passed the justification test.

It’s been over a year, and that transaction still smells.



From: Milton L Mueller 
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 12:45 PM
To: Scott Leibrand ; Steven Ryerse 
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net 
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-174 Policies Apply to All Resourcesin the Registry

I love this understatement from Scott: “the only thing non-standard about the Nortel-Microsoft transfer was that Microsoft signed the LRSA instead of the RSA.”

 

To put it more directly, ARIN abandon its policies. We all know what happened here. ARIN begged MSFT not to go ahead with the transaction without acknowledging its policies. 

 

MSFT was offered an LRSA instead of being required to sign an RSA, as the 8.3 transfer policy clearly states it should, as part of the bargaining process. MSFT agreed to do that, even though it didn’t have to, to be a good citizen. 

 

Problem now is, major legacy buyers are in a situation of individually bargaining with ARIN; there is no generally applicable policy.  

 

Yeah, that’s “non-standard” 

 

 

From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Scott Leibrand
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:20 PM
To: Steven Ryerse
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-174 Policies Apply to All Resources in the Registry

 

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com> wrote:

 

<snip>

 

  I would like to be treated the same as Microsoft and sign the same agreement they got to sign from ARIN (I've never read it) and not have to prove I need the addresses like they didn't have to.  This means I think everyone should be treated equally by ARIN in every transfer.  Of course if Microsoft has to prove they need them then of course I'd be happy to prove I need them too - but I don't think Microsoft did have to prove their need and ARIN ended up being a party to the transaction. 

 

ARIN has publicly stated that Microsoft had to follow the policy that requires needs justification, just as any other transfer recipient would have to do.  AFAIK (and I'm only aware of what's been publicly posted here to PPML and at public policy meetings) the only thing non-standard about the Nortel-Microsoft transfer was that Microsoft signed the LRSA instead of the RSA.  And since the only real remaining difference between the two is the fee schedule, that is definitely not a policy matter.

 

-Scott



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