[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-178 Regional Use of Resources

[David Farmer]

On 7/16/12 13:40 CDT, Tony Hain wrote:
> David Farmer wrote:
>> On 7/14/12 17:32 CDT, Tony Hain wrote:
>>> Owen DeLong wrote:
....
>> OK, I slept on it and have an idea.
>>
>> I need to reiterate the four requirements I discussed in my last email;
>>
>> 1. Regional independence and control of policy
>>
>> 2. Only justify the use of resources to the RIR you received them from using
>> that RIRs policies
>
> I mis-read that one the first time. You should only need to justify the
> resources you are requesting from the RIR being asked.

I'm confused this seems to conflict with below;

>> 3. Prevent duplicate and/or overlapping requests to multiple RIRs, in
> other
>> words provide stewardship
>>
>> 4. No restriction on location of use
>>
>> So, I'll float an idea.  What if we allowed the requester to select between #2
>> or #4, allowing #1 and #3 to be meet in all cases.  This way regionalization is
>> simply a tool for simplifying justification of need and not necessarily a
>> requirement to receive resources in all cases.
>>
>> This could be done with the following small rewrite of the first paragraph.
>>
>> ----
>>
>> X. Regionalized Use of Resources
>>
>> Requests for number resources must meet the following criteria regarding
>> regionalized use of resources for ARIN to only evaluate a request based on
>> an organizations ARIN registered resources and according to ARIN policies,
>> including any resource specific criteria. Otherwise, ARIN must evaluate a
>> request based on an organizations total globally registered resources and
>> only according to ARIN policies, including any resource specific criteria.
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Is this workable?  What do you think Tony?  What does the rest of the
>> community think?  Would there need to be additional criteria defining how
>> ARIN evaluates a organizations globally registered resource?
>
> I think I am saying drop everything up to 'Otherwise'. Where the new
> resource is being used is irrelevant.

So, some org in the APNIC region and has always received their resources 
from APNIC, but can can't get an IPv4 any more.

They want to get IPv4 from ARIN, do they have to demonstrate that they 
have utilized their APNIC resources according to ARIN policy before 
getting resources from ARIN?

If yes then that violates requirement #2 and seems to violate your 
response above.

But if here you seem to be saying that ARIN should evaluate all their 
global resources.

Deleting everything up to and including the "Otherwise," you are left 
with.

"ARIN must evaluate a request based on an organizations total globally 
registered resources and only according to ARIN policies, including any 
resource specific criteria."

I read this as saying that ARIN should evaluate all resources regardless 
of which RIR issued them.

Is that what you are saying?

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