[arin-ppml] IP Address Policy
dmiller at tiggee.com
Wed Aug 8 22:33:36 EDT 2012
On 8/8/2012 9:05 PM, Steven Ryerse wrote:
> John that sounds good in the theoretical world of this community but in the real world that I must live in, it is not reasonable for a monopoly to deny a resource request just because others in the community don’t want me to have the resources. I again point out that you are a monopoly and your mission is to allocate resources and NOT to deny resources. Because they are a monopoly, the phone company cannot deny me another phone line just because the folks who already have phones in my community don’t want me to have one or another one.
Phone lines are not a limited resource. Internet addresses are a limited
resource, thus their management is distinctly different from an
ARIN is not a monopoly. The internet community as a whole is necessarily
a monopoly (of sorts) since there in only one global internet - "the
You are welcome to use whatever pattern of bits you like to address your
devices. Noone has any interest in controlling or limiting the pattern
of bits that you use.
However, if you want the rest of the internet community to treat the
pattern of bits that you use to address your devices as meaningful -
i.e. those who run internet connected networks will pass traffic for
you, accept traffic from you, and/or send traffic to you - then that
pattern of bits that you use to address your devices must be unique. The
internet community has agreed (nem. con.) that IANA and the RIRs will
control, register, and document allocations from the pool of unique
patterns of bits to address your devices. The internet community has
agreed that IANA and the RIRs will be governed by community developed
policies. The policies that the ARIN RIR community have developed
require needs justification for address allocations.
There is no cabal controlling address allocations. There is no group of
people in the community that voted against or "don't want" you to have
> I am not asking for a crazy amount of resources like a /16, my request is for a very small amount of resources (/22) and it is a reasonable request. Your mission is to fulfill reasonable resource requests. Period. I’ve read it 10 times today and every time I read it – it says you are to allocate resources not withhold them.
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> From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran at arin.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 8:31 PM
> To: Steven Ryerse
> Cc: ARIN PPML (ppml at arin.net) (ppml at arin.net)
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Policy
> On Aug 8, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com<mailto:SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com>> wrote:
> ... I am going thru proper ARIN channels to obtain needed resources and ARIN is refusing to allocate those resources to me.
> Steve -
> You have applied through proper channels but your request is not valid as
> it does not meet allocation policy criteria. ARIN cannot allocate IPv4
> resources to your organization as a result of that invalid request.
> As others have noted, under the ISP multi-homed initial allocation policies
> (NRPM 220.127.116.11), there is a requirement to utilized the equivalent of a /23
> (generally from your upstream ISP) before receiving for initial allocation
> from ARIN. This is not a policy requirement which is unique to your business
> but long-standing requirement in policy that all service providers have had
> to satisfy when making that transition.
> Jimmy Hess did make an excellent point with regard to transfers - under the
> 8.3 specified transfer policy, your full IP address needs for 24 months can
> be considered in approving a transfer, and as such that may be more helpful
> with your present situation. As ARIN is obligated to follow the existing
> policy as adopted, a transfer may be a more timely option that developing
> a policy change to these requirements for initial ISP allocations.
> John Curran
> President and CEO
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