[arin-ppml] 2011-1 dissent Was: Re: ARIN-2011-1: ARIN Inter-RIRTransfers - Last Call

Mike Burns mike at nationwideinc.com
Fri Oct 21 10:44:35 EDT 2011


IMO, yes, there should be a stringent justification for need for free pool addresses, and no need justification for transfers, as long as we prevent gaming the system through simple expedients like preventing transfers of addresses from those who have tapped the free pool less than a year ago, and limiting needs-free transfers to less than a /12 per year.

It’s the insistence on maintaining control of addresses already allocated from the free pool which is the cause of all this consternation over the inter-regional transfers.

Once addresses have a monetary value, there is no need for stewards to maintain a needs test, since the market will naturally provide efficient use of transferred addresses.

Once again, Prop-151 would moot this discussion.

Regards,

Mike Burns


From: CJ Aronson 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:57 AM
To: William Herrin 
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net 
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] 2011-1 dissent Was: Re: ARIN-2011-1: ARIN Inter-RIRTransfers - Last Call

Bill, 

I have a question for you. Right now ARIN's policy is sometimes stricter than in other regions.  Having gotten address space in the past from ARIN, RIPE and APNIC this could seriously be debated but the perception is that ARIN is more difficult. This is based on the policies developed in this region for the acquisition of address space.  Do you want to make those policies less restrictive for transfers than for getting address space from the free pool?   

I feel that there would be a huge public outcry if another region changed their needs based policy specifically for transfers to make it easier than their regular needs based policy for getting space from whatever free pool they have left.  APNIC has a policy in last call right now to specifically add needs basis back in (in essence making their policy more stringent) so that they can be compatible and get transfers from this region.  

I am interested in peoples' thoughts on this.  Should we have two different justifications for need, one for transfers and one for the free pool? 

Thanks!
-----Cathy




On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 7:35 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:

  On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:42 AM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
  > once you scratch the surface and start looking at how
  > such a policy will work from a practical point of view things get ugly very
  > fast and it no longer looks as fair as it did on the surface.


  David,

  I make the same claim about the text on the table. We could argue for
  days whether overall it's more or less fair than making a registrant
  meet both RIR's policies, but at the end of the argument the truth
  remains that the text on the table is not fair to would-be ARIN-region
  recipients.

  Would it be unreasonable to suggest that any unavoidable unfairness in
  this, ARIN's process, be weighted in favor of ARIN's registrants
  rather than against them?


  Regards,
  Bill Herrin


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