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<DIV>IMO, yes, there should be a stringent justification for need for free pool
addresses, and no need justification for transfers, as long as we prevent gaming
the system through simple expedients like preventing transfers of addresses from
those who have tapped the free pool less than a year ago, and limiting
needs-free transfers to less than a /12 per year.</DIV>
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<DIV>It’s the insistence on maintaining control of addresses already allocated
from the free pool which is the cause of all this consternation over the
inter-regional transfers.</DIV>
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<DIV>Once addresses have a monetary value, there is no need for stewards to
maintain a needs test, since the market will naturally provide efficient use of
transferred addresses.</DIV>
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<DIV>Once again, Prop-151 would moot this discussion.</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
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<DIV>Mike Burns</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=cja@daydream.com
href="mailto:cja@daydream.com">CJ Aronson</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 21, 2011 9:57 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=bill@herrin.us href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">William
Herrin</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=arin-ppml@arin.net
href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [arin-ppml] 2011-1 dissent Was: Re: ARIN-2011-1: ARIN
Inter-RIRTransfers - Last Call</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>I have a question for you. Right now ARIN's policy is sometimes stricter
than in other regions. Having gotten address space in the past from ARIN,
RIPE and APNIC this could seriously be debated but the perception is that ARIN
is more difficult. This is based on the policies developed in this region for
the acquisition of address space. Do you want to make those policies less
restrictive for transfers than for getting address space from the free
pool? </DIV>
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<DIV>I feel that there would be a huge public outcry if another region changed
their needs based policy specifically for transfers to make it easier than their
regular needs based policy for getting space from whatever free pool they have
left. APNIC has a policy in last call right now to specifically add needs
basis back in (in essence making their policy more stringent) so that they can
be compatible and get transfers from this region. </DIV>
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<DIV>I am interested in peoples' thoughts on this. Should we have two
different justifications for need, one for transfers and one for the free pool?
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<DIV>Thanks!</DIV>
<DIV>-----Cathy</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 7:35 AM, William Herrin <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">bill@herrin.us</A>></SPAN>
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<DIV class=im>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:42 AM, David Farmer <<A
href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu">farmer@umn.edu</A>> wrote:<BR>> once you
scratch the surface and start looking at how<BR>> such a policy will work
from a practical point of view things get ugly very<BR>> fast and it no
longer looks as fair as it did on the surface.<BR><BR></DIV>David,<BR><BR>I
make the same claim about the text on the table. We could argue for<BR>days
whether overall it's more or less fair than making a registrant<BR>meet both
RIR's policies, but at the end of the argument the truth<BR>remains that the
text on the table is not fair to would-be
ARIN-region<BR>recipients.<BR><BR>Would it be unreasonable to suggest that any
unavoidable unfairness in<BR>this, ARIN's process, be weighted in favor of
ARIN's registrants<BR>rather than against them?<BR>
<DIV class=im><BR>Regards,<BR>Bill Herrin<BR><BR><BR>--<BR>William D. Herrin
................ <A
href="mailto:herrin@dirtside.com">herrin@dirtside.com</A> <A
href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">bill@herrin.us</A><BR>3005 Crane Dr.
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target=_blank>http://bill.herrin.us/</A>><BR>Falls Church, VA
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