[arin-ppml] IPv4 Transfer Policy Change to Keep Whois Accurate

[Mike Burns]

Paul,

I understand  you don't like the private DNS structure, but how does that 
relate to my proposal?

My statement that I think the private DNS is working was not related to my 
proposal, it was just a personal impression from my own personal experience 
in the DNS market, which includes transactions stretching from 1995 until 
today, and includes running production DNS servers throughout those years.

I have never made a proposal related to private registries, I am not 
interested in talking about private registries in the context of this 
thread.
Although I supported the idea of a decision on allowing private IP 
registries for the purposes of creating a freer trade in IP addresses, I 
decided that the same purpose could be served by modifying ARIN policy to 
allow needs-free transfers.
The talk about DNS registries is a side matter, unless you can relate them 
to my proposal.
I never held the DNS model as a "best or most shining example of what to 
hope for from a private numbering resource market".
I'm not even proposing a private numbering resource market.

Regards,
Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Vixie" <vixie at isc.org>
To: <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 Transfer Policy Change to Keep Whois Accurate


> mike at nationwideinc.com ("Mike Burns") writes:
>
>> From the article:
>>
>> "ICANN requires registrars to enforce the accuracy of their customers'
>> Whois records, and the leading registrars are often quite strict about
>> complying with this rule."
>>
>> So if ICANN already requires this and fails to police it, why do you
>> assume that ICANN would police their own records if private registrars
>> did not exist?
>
> i make no claim nor ever meant to imply that icann should take action with
> respect to number resource whois.  i was answering your statement that the
> dns private market is working.  my assertion is that the dns private 
> market
> as it is currently does not disincentivise sociopathic behaviour.  at 
> scale
> (and with a lot of money at stake) such behaviour becomes the norm unless
> opposed by some regime or force.  for examples, the tradeoff between 
> accurate
> whois and making a lot of money, or the tradeoff between conserving 
> routing
> table slots and making a lot of money, are decisions that the whole 
> community
> or their representatives would make differently than would most 
> individuals.
>
> the short version is, i don't think the private dns market is your best or
> most shining example of what to hope for from a private numbering resource
> market.  i don't think Garda Sichana's Michael Moran would think so either
> (referring to the "theregister" URL included below for reference.)
>
> re:
>
>> mike at nationwideinc.com ("Mike Burns") writes:
>>
>>> As far as the DNS private market goes, I don't see the problem with it.
>>
>> From: "Paul Vixie" <vixie at vix.com>
>>
>>> see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/17/child_abuse_cop_slams_icann/
>>> with raw data at <http://svsf40.icann.org/node/22219>.
>>>
>>> internet resource holders (whether names or numbers) will *not* show 
>>> more
>>> accountability than is required of them by the rest of us.
> -- 
> Paul Vixie
> KI6YSY
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