[arin-ppml] IPv4 Transfer Policy Change to Keep Whois Accurate
matthew at matthew.at
Wed May 11 23:41:01 EDT 2011
On 5/11/2011 8:17 PM, Blake Dunlap wrote:
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 22:09, Mike Burns <mike at nationwideinc.com
> <mailto:mike at nationwideinc.com>> wrote:
> Hi Jon,
> Here are some examples of an entity that may want to purchase
> addresses but not demonstrate need:
> 1. A company with a 5 year planning horizon
> Don't use IPv4, done.
Not a very good risk mitigation strategy. A company may wish to hedge
their bets about the speed of the IPv6 transition.
> 2. A company that wants to provide temporary allocations
> Why do they need extra space?
This seems obvious.
> 3. A company that wants to specialize in very rapid allocations,
> like same-day service.
> Not an issue until the block get unreasonably big for such a service.
Huh? How could they possibly justify any acquisition of space, no matter
how small, for this purpose?
> 4. A company that stocks addresses for sale in to those who would
> pay more for guaranteed availability
> 5. A company who is concerned about future supply.
> Both of the above are something that shouldn't deserve IPs
Really? A company concerned about future supply doesn't deserve IP
addresses? The entire point of needs justification is to justify the
need not just for *today* but for 12 months in the future (or 3 months
in the future for some unfortunate entities).
> 6. A company that wishes to lease address space rather than sell it
This seems obvious to me as well. Leasing is one of the several ways
holders of IP address space might make it available to others.
> 7. A company who seeks to buy up small allocations to aggregate
> them in to larger, more valuable netblocks
> Good (expletive) luck. The birthday paradox on this is pretty stupidly
This I do agree with.
> 8. A seller of vanity ip addresses like 100.100.100.100
> Ok, this one i'll buy, but it's still stupid, that's what DNS is for.
> You don't see the same argument for MAC addresses for the same reason.
Can't be that stupid... see 18.104.22.168 and 22.214.171.124
> 9. A speculator willing to risk money to buy addresses as an
> investment for anticipated gains in address prices.
> See #5
This is one of the ways that market liquidity is generated. If we don't
have this then it'll be *harder* to get IP address space when you need
it, whether or not you can do a needs justification.
This is another reason why the 3-month limits for new/recent entrants
are such a big problem post-runout... they eliminate speculative
activity BUT the lack of speculative activity means that coming back for
more in 3 months is actually harder rather than easier.
> 10. A company whose anticipated need does not begin for 12 months.
> Wait 9 months, it's not all about you.
Try raising venture capital for a project that will need IPv4 and IPv6
access once product development is complete and disclose that you're not
going to try to get space until several months post-runout and see what
the potential investors say.
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