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On 5/11/2011 8:17 PM, Blake Dunlap wrote:
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 22:09, Mike Burns
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi Jon,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Here are some examples of
an entity that may want to purchase addresses but not
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">1. A company with a 5 year
planning horizon</font></div>
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Don't use IPv4, done.<br>
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Not a very good risk mitigation strategy. A company may wish to
hedge their bets about the speed of the IPv6 transition.<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">2. A company that wants to
provide temporary allocations</font></div>
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Why do they need extra space?<br>
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This seems obvious.<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">3. A company that wants to
specialize in very rapid allocations, like same-day
service.</font></div>
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Not an issue until the block get unreasonably big for such a
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Huh? How could they possibly justify any acquisition of space, no
matter how small, for this purpose?<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">4. A company that stocks
addresses for sale in to those who would pay more for
guaranteed availability</font> <br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">5. A company who is
concerned about future supply.</font></div>
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<div>Both of the above are something that shouldn't deserve IPs<br>
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Really? A company concerned about future supply doesn't deserve IP
addresses? The entire point of needs justification is to justify the
need not just for *today* but for 12 months in the future (or 3
months in the future for some unfortunate entities). <br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">6. A company that wishes to
lease address space rather than sell it</font></div>
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<div>What?<br>
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This seems obvious to me as well. Leasing is one of the several ways
holders of IP address space might make it available to others.<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">7. A company who seeks to
buy up small allocations to aggregate them in to larger,
more valuable netblocks</font></div>
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<div>Good (expletive) luck. The birthday paradox on this is
pretty stupidly big.<br>
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This I do agree with.<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">8. A seller of vanity ip
addresses like 100.100.100.100</font></div>
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<div>Ok, this one i'll buy, but it's still stupid, that's what
DNS is for. You don't see the same argument for MAC addresses
for the same reason.<br>
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Can't be that stupid... see 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">9. A speculator willing to
risk money to buy addresses as an investment for
anticipated gains in address prices.</font></div>
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<div>See #5<br>
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This is one of the ways that market liquidity is generated. If we
don't have this then it'll be *harder* to get IP address space when
you need it, whether or not you can do a needs justification.<br>
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This is another reason why the 3-month limits for new/recent
entrants are such a big problem post-runout... they eliminate
speculative activity BUT the lack of speculative activity means that
coming back for more in 3 months is actually harder rather than
easier.<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">10. A company whose
anticipated need does not begin for 12 months.</font></div>
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<div>Wait 9 months, it's not all about you.<br>
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Try raising venture capital for a project that will need IPv4 and
IPv6 access once product development is complete and disclose that
you're not going to try to get space until several months
post-runout and see what the potential investors say.<br>
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Matthew Kaufman<br>
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