[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-137 Global Policy for post exhaustion IPv4 allocation mechanisms by the IANA

[Jeffrey Lyon]

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:26 AM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
> On 3/8/11 23:21 CST, George Herbert wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 11:46 AM, ARIN<info at arin.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>> ARIN-prop-137 Global Policy for post exhaustion IPv4 allocation
>>> mechanisms by the IANA
>>>
>>> Proposal Originator: Philip Smith
>>>   co-authors: Alejandro Acosta, Nicolas Antoniello, S. Moonesamy,
>>>        Douglas Onyango, Medel Ramirez, Masato Yamanishi
>>
>>
>> Philip and others -
>>
>> Can you explain your rationale and reasoning behind this proposal?
>
> I won't speak for the authors, but this proposed global policy is known as
> APNIC-Prop-097 in the APNIC region and was discussed at the APNIC meeting
> two weeks ago in Hong Kong, and on the APNIC sig-policy mailing list.
>  APNIC-Prop-097 was the second policy presented in the 4th session of
> APNIC's Policy SIG, on Thursday, Feb 24.  It was proceeded by the
> presentation of APNIC-Prop-086 which is equilivant to ARIN-2010-10, which is
> an alternate proposal for dealing with many of the same issues.  Once both
> proposals were presented, then a joint discussion of the two proposals
> followed.
>
> A link to the transcript from the 4th Policy SIG session;
> http://meetings.apnic.net/31/policy/transcript#session4
>
> A link to the Audio from the 4th Policy SIG session;
> http://podcast.apnic.net/meetings/31/policy-sig-sess4.mp3
>
> A link to the Video from the 4th Policy SIG session;
> http://streaming.apnic.net/meetings/31/policy-sig-sess4-hinted.mov
>
> Further, the APNIC sig-policy mailing list archives can be found at;
> http://mailman.apnic.net/mailing-lists/sig-policy/index.shtml
>
>> Also, please address how a valid IANA policy would be appropriately
>> created by an ARIN policy process... ?
>
> As has been stated, Global Policies are how IANA policies are created and
> all Global Policies must go through each of the five RIR policy processes.
>
> See the following for details;
> http://www.nro.net/documents/global-policy-development-process
>
> I hope that helps;
>
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>From the APNIC transcript:

--
Why did we do this? Without this policy, any space returned to the
IANA would be stranded, because we have triggered the allocation of
the last /8s from IANA, it's questionable as to what would happen to
returned space, because there's no current mechanism for IANA to
distribute space to the RIRs, especially space that's smaller than a
/8.
--

Is this factual, or does APNIC have a policy requiring the return of
unused space to IANA? Would IANA even accept returns at this point?
Additionally:

--
As evidence to that, Interop returned almost a full /8 and their press
release is quite clear, I'll read it from it here: "After the hold
period, ARIN will follow global policy at that time and return it to
the global free pool or distribute the space to those organizations in
the ARIN region with documented need." So, I think it's very clear
that if there is a global policy in place that allows ARIN to return
this space to IANA, they will do that, if they think that's the right
thing to do.
--

I for one, do not.

--
Basically, it's been adopted in the ARIN region and is under
discussion here and in the others three regions.
--

It has?

-- 
Jeffrey Lyon, Leadership Team
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