[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-136 Services Opt-out Allowed for Unaffiliated Address Blocks

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Fri Feb 25 16:19:53 EST 2011

On 2/25/2011 1:02 PM, John Curran wrote:
> On Feb 26, 2011, at 4:47 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>> What do you do then?  ARIN staff by now has determined the following:
>> 1) The block is not used even in an unconnected network
>> 2) The original holder is either ignorant of it's use and/or unable to
>> use it, or is a proxy for the original holder.
>> 3) Your not going to get permission, written or verbal, from anyone to take it back, based on them thinking that it might be worth something someday
>> 4) The original holder doesn't give a damn what you mark for it in whois but is clearly never going to exert the effort to login to ARIN and modify the whois record.
> Ted - you have multiple hypotheticals here, so it's hard to provide
> a single answer. If the resource holder still exists then they can
> prove it and then just keep using it and/or put the resource until
> LRSA and make use of the specified transfer policy to monetize it.

Ah ha.  That is what I was looking for.

OK, then next question.  Right now ARIN is still handing out IPv4.
Thus there is no incentive for a would-be buyer wanting IPv4 to
go to the lawyer for a bankrupt ISP that is sitting on that /17,
because he can simply go to ARIN and ask for the numbers.

In other words, because the transfer cannot take place unless the
legacy resource is under LRSA, and once under the LSRA any transfer
obligates the receiver to start paying fees, to paraphrase
one of our great authors  "..I don't see no p'ints about that IPv4 
that's any better'n any other IPv4...."

So, it is likely that the lawyer isn't going to bother putting the
block under LRSA (unless you tell him to do that or lose it) right now - 
because it's not worth anything - right now.

So I then have to ask you John, in ARIN's opinion, based on the work
it's already had to do on invalid POC's, is there a rather large amount 
of legacy IPv4 that is sitting out there in limbo, waiting for ARIN to
run out of addresses, so they can, as you put it, "...put the resource 
under LRSA and make use of the specified transfer policy to monetize it..."

Are we going to see a big flushing of limbo legacy IPv4 transfers
on to the "market" in the months after ARIN announces it's assigned it's 
last IPv4?  Is that why you guys pushed through the transfer

Just trying to understand the behind-the-scenes, here.


> If they aren't the resource holder, then the resource is likely
> coming back so we can find the valid holder or reclaim the resource.
> /John
> John Curran
> President and CEO

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