[arin-ppml] Use of the specified transfer policy (was: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers)

John Curran jcurran at arin.net
Mon Feb 7 21:53:52 EST 2011

On Feb 7, 2011, at 10:23 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:

> Both. 8.3 requires the use of the STLS. They are effectively one.

NRPM 8.3 is a policy, and ARIN will process specified transfer 
requests from two parties which appear and meet the criteria.
Neither of them has to be a participant in the Specified Transfer
Listing Service (STLS); the STLS is simply a convenience for those
parties who want some help finding a match.  Think of it this way:
STLS is a dating service, which you don't need to use if you already 
have a partner and just want to go (via NRPM 8.3) and get married.

> Members do not want those(Illegitimate) people to benefit. But there
> are likely other more efficient ways to deal with this problem and
> allow legitimate holders to conduct private transactions with limited
> difficulty and _limited expense_.

ARIN does charge $250 one-time to process transfers, per the fee 
schedule here <https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html>

> Signing the LRSA is significantly risky IMHO. I found many
> requirements that if I were holding legacy resources I would find non
> conducive to a mutually beneficial relationship with the ARIN
> community especially since there's no incentive to do so now:
> - no mutual termination
> - termination only for cause
> - no membership benefits
> - fees
> - less rights that members e.g. audits, etc.
> - Subject to current and future policies without recourse

You might want to reread the LRSA as well.  The LRSA does contain 
a nominal annual fee ($100) but also explicitly takes precedence over 
any policy changes and requires ARIN to provide registry services 
(whois, reverse) for the resources, even those which are unused.

> Without carrot, we'll see limited use of the 8.3 required transfer
> mechanisms. I would suggest the carrots would be:
> -no fees
> -mutual termination
> -membership

While the present terms are actually quite favorable, it's always
worth revisiting if the community wishes.  There is a parity issue,
in that most of the community is paying significant more for these
same services today, and equitable sharing of the registry costs is
viewed by many as expected.

> This seems off. The rules for transfer were written outside of the
> policy process. Based on the leasing thread it would seem that the
> membership does want "softer" rules with respect to transfers and the
> market in general. That in turn will invite those people to
> participate and become legitimate actors to the benefit of the
> community.

The Specified Transfer policy is NRPM 8.3 and was developed by community 
via the policy development process.  The STLS is completely optional and
I welcome any suggestions for change.   

> Since the onerous part is not policy, how do we go about getting this changed?

If it's in NRPM 8.3, then it's the policy development process.
If it's the LRSA, I'd recommend encouraging discussion at the
next PPM (either in person or remote) so that the Board has 
fresh and recent insight into the community views on this.


John Curran
President and CEO

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