[arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - January 2011

cja@daydream.com packetgrrl at gmail.com
Fri Feb 4 09:05:46 EST 2011

I am sorry Bill you're right I meant PP-128.  With respect to my
communication skills everyone makes a typo.  We are 15 volunteers with day
jobs and sometimes we make typos. I agree with Bill Darte however, we do
send a written reason in the minutes of why a proposal was acted on in a
particular way.  If you think the process is incomplete please make
suggestions via the ARIN suggestion and consultation process.  The board is
working on a new PDP right now and I am sure they would love your
suggestions.  I know the ideas floating around in the new PDP discussion
include a little working group for each proposal and that might help.

Thanks again!

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:19 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:31 PM, cja at daydream.com <packetgrrl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I am sorry you feel that the AC brusquely disposes of policy proposals.
> But you're not sorry for doing it, you're only sorry I feel that way.
> > We actually aren't hasty. We spend a lot of time debating and discussing
> Behind closed doors with, at best, an abbreviated version eventually
> appearing in the form of meeting minutes.
> > and
> > attempting to do the best job we can for the community.  We get input
> from
> > proposers, ppml, legal counsel, and ARIN staff.   We came to the
> conclusion
> > after much debate and discussion that 2009-8 should not move forward.
> Perhaps you mean proposal 128? It is, after all, communication skills
> that I'm complaining about. If you don't adequately explain
> yourselves, and how can a brief, generic paragraph that 15 people
> grudgingly assent to offer an adequate explanation, then how are the
> proposal authors supposed to understand your decisions well enough to
> do better with the next attempt? How indeed is the author to believe
> that you gave his proposal any care at all?
> > If you feel strongly that it should then please petition it.
> I have no dog in that fight. My complaint lies where the AC can't find
> the time for the -people- that try to participate in the policy
> process. It would cost so little for each AC member voting to abandon
> to write just one paragraph explaining their own reasons why. Yet it
> would make such a difference.
> It's not like I'm asking you to meet a standard I wouldn't have held
> myself to had I been the one elected. Just some basic courtesy for the
> folks whose efforts you choose to discard.
> I'm going to shut up now before I beat the topic to death, but I hope
> you'll take some of these comments to heart and decide that you can do
> better.
> -Bill
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