[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-156 Update 8.3 to allow inter-RIR transfers

Wed Aug 24 12:52:05 EDT 2011

I support prop. 151, and agree with Burns' assertion that without relaxation of needs assessment for transfers we are driving v4 address blocks out of the RIR system.

> -----Original Message-----
> Both issues would dissolve, as would so many others, with the adoption of
> my proposal 151 to treat legacy and non-legacy addresses fairly by removing the
> outdated and unnecessary needs requirement on IPv4 transfers.
> 
> Given the situation, we are virtually mandating transfers (of legacy space
> at least) of address space outside the RIR system entirely.
> The resultant irrelevance of Whois data will drive the acceptance of private
> registries.
> 
> In this article,
> http://techliberation.com/2011/08/15/trading-ipv4-addresses-starts-making-
> internet-elders-nervous/
> ,Prof. Mueller relates a conversation with the broker who handled the
> Microsoft/Nortel IPv4 sale.  That broker mentions a point which is entirely
> relevant to my proposal, which is the fact that of all the 38 (!) IP blocks
> included in the sale, not a single one had correct Whois data.
> 
> As IPv6 remains stillborn, IPv4 address values will increase.
> As the values increase there will be conflict over ownership rights.
> Those conflicts will be settled in court eventually, and Whois will come to
> be publicly displayed as erroneous and irrelevant.
> Owners will demand a more reliable registration system to ensure their
> rights are recognized, and network operators will feel more protected by a
> registry which backs their entries with chain-of-custody documents.
> 
> By maintaining a needs requirement for transfers, we are on the path to a
> dramatic change in Internet governance, which we can avoid by refusing to
> continue policies which work in restraint of the free trading of IPv4
> addresses.
> 
> I applaud Scott's efforts to make a bad situation a little better, but
> suggest that the problems he addresses in his rationale would be mooted by
> acceptance of Prop 151.
> 
> I guess this is a thread hijack, but there is still time for expressions of
> support for 151 as it has not been abandoned.
> 
> Regards,
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Leibrand" <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
> To: "Mike Burns" <mike at nationwideinc.com>
> Cc: "ARIN" <info at arin.net>; <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-156 Update 8.3 to allow inter-RIR
> transfers
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Mike Burns <mike at nationwideinc.com>
> wrote:
> > Support, but I would support more with a 12-month justification and it
> > would
> > be better with no justification requirement at all.
> 
> Thanks.  I'd like to hear input from more folks on what this
> requirement should look like.
> 
> > This change will allow some Asian companies to participate in legitimate
> > transfers with Whois updates, who would otherwise have to take the risks
> > of
> > an unbooked sale.
> > Would this policy be consistent with the ideas about regional registries
> > that was discussed on the list earlier in reference to ICP-2?
> 
> Yes, because we're transferring the addresses (under certain
> conditions) to another RIR for them to administer in their region.
> 
> > Is this change in 8.3 an endrun around the concept of regionality?
> 
> I don't believe so.
> 
> -Scott
> 
> 
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "ARIN" <info at arin.net>
> > To: <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:46 PM
> > Subject: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-156 Update 8.3 to allow inter-RIR transfers
> >
> >
> >> ARIN-prop-156 Update 8.3 to allow inter-RIR transfers
> >>
> >> ARIN received the following policy proposal and is posting it to the
> >> Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) in accordance with the Policy
> >> Development Process.
> >>
> >> The ARIN Advisory Council (AC) will review the proposal at their next
> >> regularly scheduled meeting (if the period before the next regularly
> >> scheduled meeting is less than 10 days, then the period may be extended
> >> to the subsequent regularly scheduled meeting). The AC will decide how
> >> to utilize the proposal and announce the decision to the PPML.
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >> ## * ##
> >>
> >> ARIN-prop-156 Update 8.3 to allow inter-RIR transfers
> >>
> >> Proposal Originator: Scott Leibrand
> >>
> >> Date: 23 August 2011
> >>
> >> Proposal type: Modify
> >>
> >> Policy term: Permanent
> >>
> >> Policy statement:
> >>
> >> 8.3. Transfers to Specified Recipients
> >>
> >> In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 number resources may
> >> be released to ARIN by the authorized resource holder, in whole or in
> >> part, for transfer:
> >>
> >> + under RSA, to specified organizational recipient(s) within the ARIN
> >> region that can demonstrate the need for such resources, in the exact
> >> amount which they can justify under current ARIN policies.
> >>
> >> + to another RIR, for transfer to a specified recipient in that RIR's
> >> service region who demonstrates plans to deploy the resources for the
> >> justified purpose within 3 months, as long as the request meets the
> >> policy requirements of both RIRs, and the recipient (and any
> >> organizations to which they have transferred or reassigned space) can
> >> show efficient utilization of all prior allocations, assignments, and
> >> transfers according to the current policy requirements of both RIRs.
> >>
> >>
> >> Rationale:
> >>
> >> A number of RIRs already allow IPv4 address transfers within their
> >> service regions. Given that IPv4 address demand is concentrated in
> >> certain rapidly growing regions, whereas IPv4 addresses that can be
> >> made available to supply that demand are concentrated in regions with
> >> more historical IPv4 deployment, it would be most efficient for
> >> addresses to be transferred from regions with more supply to regions
> >> with more demand. If this is not allowed, prices for IPv4 addresses
> >> in high-demand regions will be higher, raising overall costs,
> >> encouraging address holders to transfer addresses outside the RIR
> >> system, and/or encouraging large corporations to acquire addresses in
> >> regions with more supply and then use them in regions with more
> >> demand. It would be better for the overall Internet industry to allow
> >> inter-RIR transfers to organizations with demonstrated need for
> >> addressing for immediate deployment needs.
> >>
> >> This policy text would be intended to replace draft policy 2011-1 ARIN
> >> Inter-RIR Transfers.
> >>
> >> Timetable for implementation: Immediate
> >>
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