[arin-ppml] Tweaks to NRPM 8.3
scottleibrand at gmail.com
Tue Apr 19 01:11:52 EDT 2011
Thanks for taking the initiative on this. I think a number of us agree that
there are some good opportunities to tweak transfer policy now that we have
started to see the effects of 8.3 in the real world. I know there were
several other community members looking to propose tweaks as well, so I
would encourage everyone considering such changes to do a small amount of
coordination here on PPML before submitting proposals to policy at arin.net.
Putting up a quick note with a summary of your idea and/or sample text and
soliciting co-authors should be enough to get the folks interested in a
particular idea all working together...
I know there were discussions in Puerto Rico for two changes: increasing the
window for justified need under 8.3 from 12 months to 24, and changing or
removing the single-aggregate requirement. Not sure if there are other
changes people have been considering as well...
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Matthew Kaufman <matthew at matthew.at>wrote:
> Thank you John for the concise answers below. Clearly a few policy tweaks
> would go a long way towards simplifying future transfers... I'll be
> submitting a couple in the near future.
> Matthew Kaufman
> (Sent from my iPhone)
> On Apr 18, 2011, at 6:49 PM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
> > On Apr 18, 2011, at 8:57 PM, Benson Schliesser wrote:
> >> Thanks for clarifying. Combining this with your other recent messages,
> here is what I conclude about ARIN's implementation of NRPM 8.3:
> >> 1) ARIN will accept any legally enforceable document confirming
> ownership and the desire to transfer.
> > ARIN requires the seller to attest to being the valid address holder and
> > that they desire to transfer to the recipient.
> >> 2) ARIN will accept any form of RSA with the buyer, including the
> standard LRSA or a negotiated LRSA, and the actual agreement language will
> be kept private without disclosure to the ARIN membership or community.
> > Not quite. The resources transferred must come under a registration
> > agreement; this will usually be a standard RSA, unless otherwise required
> > nature of the transfer. If legacy resources are involved, the result
> > be an LRSA, just as can occur during the assignment of an LRSA during an
> > M&A transfer.
> >> 3) ARIN will accept justification of need from buyers, in private and
> without disclosure to the ARIN membership or community.
> > Correct.
> >> 4) ARIN will accept the transfer of any arbitrary collection of address
> blocks, as long as the total is in compliance with justified need.
> > ARIN has to implement NRPM 8.3 as written, and while it does not
> > support "any arbitrary collection of address blocks", the existing
> > existing NRPM 8.3 language may be less than ideal when compared to
> > some goals in the rational of the policy. At the San Juan PPM, the
> > Policy Experience report noted that there was nothing to prevent
> > transfers of resources received back out of the receiving organization,
> > and similarly it does not appear to preclude multiple successive
> > transfers (depending on the particular utilization situation).
> > The above issues are compounded by the "single-aggregate" language
> > applying to the demonstrated need as the policy is presently written.
> > While I've mentioned some of these issues individually, I appreciate
> > your question and the opportunity to put these all in one place as
> > it may help folks in determining possible next steps for refinement
> > of the policy.
> > Thanks!
> > /John
> > John Curran
> > President and CEO
> > ARIN
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