[arin-ppml] [arin-council] AC Role in Petitions

[Joe Maimon]

Charles O'Hern wrote:
> On 4/14/11 5:10 PM, Joe Maimon wrote:
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>> Charles O'Hern wrote:
>>> On 4/14/11 9:29 AM, Joe Maimon wrote:
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>>>> PDP states "Any member of the community, including a proposal originator". On the face of it, this means anyone, including the AC, possibly even including ARIN Bot and Staff.
>>>> Further, stating that a forthcoming revision will contain this rule is an implicit acknowledgment of such.
>>>>
>>>> I will note that the PDP explicitly excludes ARIN BoT and Staff from submitting a proposal except under Emergency Action. I do not see a corresponding exclusion for petition
>>>> counting.
>>>>
>>>> Is this AC rule even valid?
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>>> The PDP doesn't seem to include (I couldn't find mention of) a rule to limit the AC's ability to create rules for the members of the AC.
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>> As the AC is not a wholly disjoint entity from the PDP, their behavior vis-a-vis the PDP should be governed by the PDP. And in fact, much of their behavior is.
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>> If they do not share this view, why the intention to include this rule as a revision in an upcoming revision of the PDP? As an FYI? Is the PDP an FAQ on the PDP?
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>> Joe
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> True, but this behavior is not governed by the NRPM (or PDP).  I'm not crazy about the behavior, but its not forbidden, therefore, permitted.  Perhaps you can draft a revision
> proposal that addresses the AC passing rules governing the actions of its membership?
>

Frankly, I do not understand how an AC member posting his opinion of  in 
support of a petition cannot be counted as a vote of support for the 
petition as per PDP.

It is not as if the PDP has to incorporate sight unseen AC standing 
rules, which may or may not be in conflict with the PDP.

If the AC does not want AC members participating in the petition 
process, that means they must be muzzled.

In any event, PDP states that it is the ARIN president who determines 
the result of the petition (not the AC), and I find myself curious as to 
what extent, if any, his determination will be guided by AC standing 
rules as to the eligibility of support votes.

Joe