[arin-ppml] DRAFT POLICY ARIN-2011-1: GLOBALLY COORDINATEDTRANSFER POLICY (Legecy space)

[Owen DeLong]

And look how well that turned out. :(

(Note, that's sarcasm for those who may not share my view that the domain
situation is a complete and utter quagmire of profiteering and catering
to the interests of WIPO over those of good internet resource stewardship.)

Owen
(Speaking strictly for myself, not my employer, ARIN, the AC or anyone else.)

On Apr 13, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Warren Johnson wrote:

> I don't know my Internet History as well as I should but isn't this similar
> to how Internic became Network Solutions?
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Kevin Kargel
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 4:42 PM
> To: ARIN-PPML List
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] DRAFT POLICY ARIN-2011-1: GLOBALLY
> COORDINATEDTRANSFER POLICY (Legecy space)
> 
> Following Mr. Meuller's arguments to their logical conclusion the only sane
> solution is to convert ARIN to a 'for profit' company and lease IP blocks at
> the market rate.  Proposal anyone?
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
>> Behalf Of Milton L Mueller
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 4:35 PM
>> To: 'Jeffrey I. Schiller'
>> Cc: ARIN-PPML List
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] DRAFT POLICY ARIN-2011-1: GLOBALLY
>> COORDINATEDTRANSFER POLICY (Legecy space)
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 04:00:14PM -0400, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>>> In a market where higher prices lead to greater production,
>>>> speculation brings liquidity. In a market where increased production
>>>> is not possible, speculation leads to higher prices and increases
>>>> the probability of market manipulation.
>>> 
>>> Who knows, in our context "production" might be interpreted as
>>> increasing the rate of adoption of IPv6. Certainly if IPv4 addresses
>>> were to become prohibitively expensive, IPv6 will look a lot more
>>> attractive. Food for thought.
>> 
>> Exactly. Address trading of v4 blocks would start to reflect the true
>> scarcity value of the addresses, as well as operators' judgments about the
>> time horizon of their value. And that could help surmount the migration
>> hump by putting a lot of adjustments into motion.
>> 
>> There is a weird schizophrenia in RIR list discussions of this problem
>> which reveals that many people haven't thought this through very
>> carefully. On the one hand, you get comments like this:
>> 
>> "Who cares, IPV4 is dead --"
>> 
>> Interspersed with comments suggesting that:
>> 
>> "Hoarding of IPv4 addresses by speculators will drive up prices to levels
>> that will [pick one] i) destroy the internet ii) force us all into the
>> arms of a merged AT&VZ; iii) be really, really bad
>> 
>> Is it just me, or is it not possible for both of those sentiments to be
>> valid?
>> 
>> If IPv4 is really dead, it doesn't matter at all how we handle the trading
>> or need for v4 blocks. Indeed, you should support hoarding and speculation
>> because the hoarders and speculators will be defeated and lose their
>> shirts.
>> 
>> If the "IPv4 is dead" meme is wrong (and I think it is _dead_ wrong) then
>> it matters a lot how we handle trading policy. We have to define policies
>> that adjust to the growing scarcity in the most efficient and socially
>> beneficial way. Reiterating 1996-era best practices as if they were
>> religious principles doesn't help.
>> 
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