[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-139 No reassignment without network service

[Owen DeLong]

Do you lease space to providers that couldn't qualify for a /24?

If so, then, perhaps you are doing something for providers that don't have
the option of getting portable space from ARIN.

However, it's hard to imagine running a multi-homed ISP with less
than a /24 to begin with. Heck, it's hard to imagine where they would
get their smaller allocation routed.

Yes, there was a time when ARIN policy didn't cover such smaller
ISPs. Policy has changed since then and your use case is no longer
necessary.

Owen

On Apr 8, 2011, at 8:47 AM, Scott Helms wrote:

> Scott,
> 
>    Here was my post from Feb of this year on the topic:
> 
> http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2011-February/019600.html
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/8/2011 11:41 AM, Scott Leibrand wrote:
>> On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Scott Helms<khelms at zcorum.com>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't think the problems that RIPE (and not ARIN) has experienced would justify them adopting a measure this draconian much less ARIN which hasn't AFAIK seen anything like what is described.  I believe we discussed this topic, at length, a couple of months back and the near universal agreement was that little if any harm had been documented while much good and potential good had been.
>> I don't recall discussing any specific instances of ARIN-allocated IP
>> space being reassigned to an organization that has reassigned it to
>> non-connected parties to meet a need that is not met by current ARIN
>> policy.  I can certainly imagine that such parties exist, though, so
>> I'd be interested to hear who they are and/or what kind of
>> organizations they've been reassigning address space to.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Scott
>> 
>>>  I personally don't have a problem if some of the language is tightened up to ensure that all LIRs, connected or not, enforce ARIN's rules to those they reassign addresses to.
>>> 
>>> On 4/7/2011 3:56 PM, ARIN wrote:
>>>> ARIN-prop-139 No reassignment without network service
>>>> 
>>>> ARIN received the following policy proposal and is posting it to the
>>>> Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) in accordance with the Policy
>>>> Development Process.
>>>> 
>>>> The ARIN Advisory Council (AC) will review the proposal at their next
>>>> regularly scheduled meeting (if the period before the next regularly
>>>> scheduled meeting is less than 10 days, then the period may be extended
>>>> to the subsequent regularly scheduled meeting). The AC will decide how
>>>> to utilize the proposal and announce the decision to the PPML.
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Communications and Member Services
>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ## * ##
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ARIN-prop-139 No reassignment without network service
>>>> 
>>>> Proposal Originator: Owen DeLong
>>>> 
>>>> Proposal Version: 1
>>>> 
>>>> Date: 7 April 2011
>>>> 
>>>> Proposal type: modify
>>>> 
>>>> Policy term: permanent
>>>> 
>>>> Policy statement:
>>>> 
>>>> Replace section 2.4 which currently reads:
>>>> 
>>>> 2.4. Local Internet Registry (LIR)
>>>> 
>>>> A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that primarily assigns address
>>>> space to the users of the network services that it provides. LIRs are
>>>> generally Internet Service Providers (ISPs), whose customers are
>>>> primarily end users and possibly other ISPs.
>>>> 
>>>> With:
>>>> 
>>>> 2.4 Local Internet Registry (LIR)
>>>> 
>>>> A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that assigns address space
>>>> exclusively to the users of the network services that it provides. LIRs
>>>> are Network Service Providers (ISPs or NSPs), whose customers may
>>>> include end users and/or other ISPs/NSPs.
>>>> 
>>>> Rationale:
>>>> 
>>>> There has been discussion of late as to whether section 2.4 precludes
>>>> registries which are not ISPs. In the RIPE region, their policy does not
>>>> currently preclude such registries and there are a number of non-ISP
>>>> registries which have created significant problems. While there are a
>>>> few existing organizations in the ARIN region which reassign space
>>>> without providing connectivity services, these have generally been for
>>>> the purpose of building exchange points and other such critical
>>>> infrastructure. As such, current ARIN policy provides mechanisms for
>>>> such infrastructure organizations to deal directly with ARIN
>>>> 
>>>> Current ARIN staff interpretation of section 2.4 is in line with the new
>>>> proposed language. As such, this change will not have an operational
>>>> impact, but, only serves to bring the policy language in line with
>>>> current operational practice.
>>>> 
>>>> Timetable for implementation:
>>>> 
>>>> In effect, this policy is already implemented. For policy purposes,
>>>> immediate.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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