[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-139 No reassignment without network service

[Owen DeLong]

I disagree with you about the problems RIPE has experienced and I also don't feel that this measure
is draconian at all. It merely requires that LIRs in the ARIN region be providing network services to
the customers that they also provide address resources to.

I did not draw the same conclusions as you did from the discussion a couple of months back.

Owen

On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:05 AM, Scott Helms wrote:

> I don't think the problems that RIPE (and not ARIN) has experienced would justify them adopting a measure this draconian much less ARIN which hasn't AFAIK seen anything like what is described.  I believe we discussed this topic, at length, a couple of months back and the near universal agreement was that little if any harm had been documented while much good and potential good had been.  I personally don't have a problem if some of the language is tightened up to ensure that all LIRs, connected or not, enforce ARIN's rules to those they reassign addresses to.
> 
> On 4/7/2011 3:56 PM, ARIN wrote:
>> ARIN-prop-139 No reassignment without network service
>> 
>> ARIN received the following policy proposal and is posting it to the
>> Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) in accordance with the Policy
>> Development Process.
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> ARIN-prop-139 No reassignment without network service
>> 
>> Proposal Originator: Owen DeLong
>> 
>> Proposal Version: 1
>> 
>> Date: 7 April 2011
>> 
>> Proposal type: modify
>> 
>> Policy term: permanent
>> 
>> Policy statement:
>> 
>> Replace section 2.4 which currently reads:
>> 
>> 2.4. Local Internet Registry (LIR)
>> 
>> A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that primarily assigns address
>> space to the users of the network services that it provides. LIRs are
>> generally Internet Service Providers (ISPs), whose customers are
>> primarily end users and possibly other ISPs.
>> 
>> With:
>> 
>> 2.4 Local Internet Registry (LIR)
>> 
>> A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that assigns address space
>> exclusively to the users of the network services that it provides. LIRs
>> are Network Service Providers (ISPs or NSPs), whose customers may
>> include end users and/or other ISPs/NSPs.
>> 
>> Rationale:
>> 
>> There has been discussion of late as to whether section 2.4 precludes
>> registries which are not ISPs. In the RIPE region, their policy does not
>> currently preclude such registries and there are a number of non-ISP
>> registries which have created significant problems. While there are a
>> few existing organizations in the ARIN region which reassign space
>> without providing connectivity services, these have generally been for
>> the purpose of building exchange points and other such critical
>> infrastructure. As such, current ARIN policy provides mechanisms for
>> such infrastructure organizations to deal directly with ARIN
>> 
>> Current ARIN staff interpretation of section 2.4 is in line with the new
>> proposed language. As such, this change will not have an operational
>> impact, but, only serves to bring the policy language in line with
>> current operational practice.
>> 
>> Timetable for implementation:
>> 
>> In effect, this policy is already implemented. For policy purposes,
>> immediate.
>> 
>> 
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