[arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - May 2010

[Scott Leibrand]

Joe,

Speaking for the entire 15-member AC is hard, so I'll speak for myself 
instead.  I believe that many other AC members feel much the same way, 
but they can speak for themselves...

I don't believe that it is constructive at this time to lock up IPv4 
resources in such a way that they cannot be used for any purpose.  If 
the community feels that additional space should be reserved for 
purposes similar to 10.4.2, then the proposal reserving such space 
should specify what it will be used for, not leave that up to future 
policy.  As IPv4 gets more and more depleted, I believe it will only get 
harder to come to consensus on how to use any such reserved space, so 
there is a very real risk of resources being left in limbo if we were to 
adopt a policy like #112.

Additionally, as mentioned in the staff comments, the /10 reserved by 
NRPM 4.10 does not necessarily come out of the 10.4.2 last /8.  Others 
may not share this view, but when I read that the policy intentionally 
restricts the use of the last /8 in a way that even the existing policy 
it references may not be able to use it, I got the impression that this 
proposal was sending a "sour grapes" ultimatum.

In any event, the AC has been tasked by the Board with advancing "clear, 
technically sound and useful policy" with "support and consensus ... 
among the community" (https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html).  I don't 
believe that proposal 112 met either of those tests.

With regard to to the best path forward, I believe there were some 
elements of your other proposal, #110, that would be useful in 
clarifying how space reserved by NRPM 4.10 may be used.  I would 
encourage you to take the advice first posted to PPML by Chris 
Grundemann, and separate out the independent ideas presented in proposal 
110.  Here are some particular quotes from that message that I agree with:

On Fri 4/23/2010 9:36 AM, Chris Grundemann wrote:
> I see the two primary ideas presented as:
> 1) Modify section 4.10 (which reserves IPv4 space for IPv6 migrations).
> 2) Reserve an IPv4 block for new entrants.
>
> My first piece of advice to the author is to acknowledge that these
> goals are almost completely unrelated to each other; they do not need
> to be part of the same policy and probably should not be part of the
> same proposal if you wish to ever gain consensus. Separating them into
> two distinct proposals will make the details of what and why you are
> proposing them much more clearly understandable.
>    

> If this proposal were separated into two distinct (and clear)
> proposals I would be happy to entertain them both individually and
> discuss them on their own merits.

I would also point to another useful tactic mentioned recently by Marty 
and John: start by posting simple ideas and goals to PPML for 
discussion, followed by text to support those goals.  You should be able 
to get quite a bit of valuable feedback on individual items, which you 
can then incorporate into a follow-up policy proposal.

Hope that helps,
Scott

On Wed 5/26/2010 5:19 AM, Joe Maimon wrote:
>
>
> Member Services wrote:
>
>>
>> The AC abandoned Proposal 112 "Utilization of 10.4.2 resources only via
>> explicit policy" due to the proposed added restrictions to be placed
>> upon the resource allocation process. Additionally, there was not much
>> support on the PPML.
>
> Considering that adding restrictions on resource allocations from the 
> last /8 is the entire proposal, I read this statement as the AC saying 
> they abandoned the proposal because they personally did not support it.
>
> Would that be correct? I would appreciate any clarification that could 
> be made available.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
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