[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 56, Issue 41

Rudolph Daniel rudi.daniel at gmail.com
Fri Feb 12 12:40:43 EST 2010


I support this policy proposal in principle, however I am undecided on the
wording. Example: I want to query the use of the word "normal"  in favor of
" publication policy" . Does the use of the word "normal" invite questions
about what is normal and what is not, in the event of future changes in
publication policies?
RD


Joe Maimon wrote:
> > I support this policy proposal, as it conforms to my viewpoint that
> > numbers cannot confer rights of property in any way, allocations are
> > only an entry in a database operated and owned by a registrar and any
> > impact registrars have on the configuration of routers and hosts and the
> > operating of networks is due to consensus and not force of law.
> >
> > While my viewpoint would favor stronger language on the subject than is
> > contained in the proposal, it is a significant step in the right
> direction.
>
> How would you suggest we make the language stronger?  I believe the
> language is fairly strong already, but I'm willing to consider
> suggestions you might have.
>
> The idea was to clearly state that number resource are not property and
> that the RSA and the policies in the NRPM are in control of how number
> resource are allocated and assigned.
>
> In my view the NRPM shouldn't should like a contract, that kind of
> language generally belongs in the RSA.  But this is an important enough
> concept that having it stated in both the NRPM and the RSA makes sense.
>
> This got started because of section 6.4.1 currently in the NRPM and
> especially its use of the term license.  So, at almost the last minute,
> I though of searching the NRPM for any other uses of the term license,
> and found the one in 11.4 too.  It seemed that it could be eliminated
> without a complete rewrite of that section.  This change to 11.4 could
> probably have been made as a editorial change, but since 6.4.1 needed a
> complete rewrite and such a change needed to go through the PDP, it
> seemed appropriate to tack this additional simple change on to that
> process.
>
> This is on a fast track to try to make it on to the Toronto meeting
> agenda, so any suggestions you might have would be appreciated by early
> to the middle of next week.
>
> > Thanks David.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> > Member Services wrote:
> >> ARIN received the following policy proposal and is posting it to the
> >> Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) in accordance with Policy Development
> >> Process.
> >>
> >> This proposal is in the first stage of the Policy Development Process.
> >> ARIN staff will perform the Clarity and Understanding step. Staff does
> >> not evaluate the proposal at this time, their goal is to make sure that
> >> they understand the proposal and believe the community will as well.
> >> Staff will report their results to the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) within
> >> 10 days.
> >>
> >> The AC will review the proposal at their next regularly scheduled
> >> meeting (if the period before the next regularly scheduled meeting is
> >> less than 10 days, then the period may be extended to the subsequent
> >> regularly scheduled meeting). The AC will decide how to utilize the
> >> proposal and announce the decision to the PPML.
> >>
> >> In the meantime, the AC invites everyone to comment on the proposal on
> >> the PPML, particularly their support or non-support and the reasoning
> >> behind their opinion. Such participation contributes to a thorough
> >> vetting and provides important guidance to the AC in their
> deliberations.
> >>
> >> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
> >> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html
> >>
> >> The ARIN Policy Development Process can be found at:
> >> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
> >>
> >> Mailing list subscription information can be found
> >> at: https://www.arin.net/mailing_lists/
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Member Services
> >> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> >>
> >>
> >> ## * ##
> >>
> >>
> >> Policy Proposal 108: Eliminate the term license in the NRPM
> >>
> >> Proposal Originator: David Farmer
> >>
> >> Proposal Version: 1.0
> >>
> >> Date: 2 February 2010
> >>
> >> Proposal type: modify
> >>
> >> Policy term: Permanent
> >>
> >> Policy statement:
> >>
> >> Delete section 6.4.1 and replace with a new section;
> >>
> >> 1.1 Number resources are not property
> >>
> >> To serve the interests of the Internet community as a whole, number
> >> resources are not property (real, personal, or intellectual). The
> >> allocation and assignment of IP addresses, ASNs, and other number
> >> resources are subject to the terms of the ARIN Registration Services
> >> Agreement, the policies in this document, and any amendments as may be
> >> made to either one.
> >>
> >> Modify section 11.4 by removing ?on a lease/license basis?, leaving the
> >> following;
> >>
> >> 11.4 Resource Allocation Term and Renewal
> >>
> >> The Numbering Resources are allocated for a period of one year. The
> >> allocation can be renewed on application to ARIN providing information
> >> as per Detail One. The identity and details of the applicant and the
> >> allocated Numbering Resources will be published under the conditions of
> >> ARIN's normal publication policy. At the end of the experiment,
> >> resources allocated under this policy will be returned to the available
> >> pool.
> >>
> >> Rationale:
> >>
> >> As part of the discussion of Policy Proposal #106 the issue of the use
> >> of the term ?license? in section 6.4.1 and that it is not likely in
> >> harmony with the ARIN Registration Services Agreement was recognized.
> >> The AC feels that this issue is important enough to make it a separate
> >> Draft Policy that stands on its own.
> >>
> >> This section could not be fixed by simple editorial changes and it
> >> requires a complete rewrite in order to fix the issues. It was further
> >> recognized that the concept that ?Number resources are not property? is
> >> not exclusively an IPv6 issue and should be moved out of section 6, so
> >> that it is clear that it applies to all number resources.
> >>
> >> Finally, the rest of the NRPM was searched for any additional uses of
> >> the term ?license?. One additional use was found in section 11.4, in
> >> this case deleting it and a few other words surrounding it, fixes the
> >> issue without significantly changing the meaning of the section.
> >>
> >> Timetable for implementation: Immediate
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:30:47 -0000
> From: <michael.dillon at bt.com>
> To: <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 109: Standardize IP
>        ReassignmentRegistration Requirements - revised
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> > I oppose the wording in section 6.5.5.1. The database should
> > be accessible to more than just the RIRs, it should be
> > accessible to the general internet.
>
> We really should try to tighten up on the wording in areas
> like this, just as we make a distinction between assign
> and allocate, even though the two words are synonymous in
> general usage.
>
> Can we use the term "database" only to refer to something
> that stores data, and use the term "directory" for something
> that is published?
>
> Then we can say that some providers use SWIP to update
> ARIN's registration database, others use the web portal.
> When adding a record to the registration database,
> people must indicate whether or not it is to be published
> in the whois directory. This directory is refreshed daily
> from the registration data. The directory can be queried
> via whois protocol or through ARIN's website, and for
> certain uses, ARIN will make the entire directory available
> for bulk download.
>
> Then we can have policy that talks about various databases
> that can be kept separate from policy that talks about various
> directories.
>
> --Michael Dillon
>
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