<br>I support this policy proposal in principle, however I am undecided on the wording. Example: I want to query the use of the word "normal" in favor of " publication policy" . Does the use of the word "normal" invite questions about what is normal and what is not, in the event of future changes in publication policies?<div>
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Joe Maimon wrote:<br>
> I support this policy proposal, as it conforms to my viewpoint that<br>
> numbers cannot confer rights of property in any way, allocations are<br>
> only an entry in a database operated and owned by a registrar and any<br>
> impact registrars have on the configuration of routers and hosts and the<br>
> operating of networks is due to consensus and not force of law.<br>
><br>
> While my viewpoint would favor stronger language on the subject than is<br>
> contained in the proposal, it is a significant step in the right direction.<br>
<br>
How would you suggest we make the language stronger? I believe the<br>
language is fairly strong already, but I'm willing to consider<br>
suggestions you might have.<br>
<br>
The idea was to clearly state that number resource are not property and<br>
that the RSA and the policies in the NRPM are in control of how number<br>
resource are allocated and assigned.<br>
<br>
In my view the NRPM shouldn't should like a contract, that kind of<br>
language generally belongs in the RSA. But this is an important enough<br>
concept that having it stated in both the NRPM and the RSA makes sense.<br>
<br>
This got started because of section 6.4.1 currently in the NRPM and<br>
especially its use of the term license. So, at almost the last minute,<br>
I though of searching the NRPM for any other uses of the term license,<br>
and found the one in 11.4 too. It seemed that it could be eliminated<br>
without a complete rewrite of that section. This change to 11.4 could<br>
probably have been made as a editorial change, but since 6.4.1 needed a<br>
complete rewrite and such a change needed to go through the PDP, it<br>
seemed appropriate to tack this additional simple change on to that process.<br>
<br>
This is on a fast track to try to make it on to the Toronto meeting<br>
agenda, so any suggestions you might have would be appreciated by early<br>
to the middle of next week.<br>
<br>
> Thanks David.<br>
><br>
> Joe<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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>> Policy Proposal 108: Eliminate the term license in the NRPM<br>
>><br>
>> Proposal Originator: David Farmer<br>
>><br>
>> Proposal Version: 1.0<br>
>><br>
>> Date: 2 February 2010<br>
>><br>
>> Proposal type: modify<br>
>><br>
>> Policy term: Permanent<br>
>><br>
>> Policy statement:<br>
>><br>
>> Delete section 6.4.1 and replace with a new section;<br>
>><br>
>> 1.1 Number resources are not property<br>
>><br>
>> To serve the interests of the Internet community as a whole, number<br>
>> resources are not property (real, personal, or intellectual). The<br>
>> allocation and assignment of IP addresses, ASNs, and other number<br>
>> resources are subject to the terms of the ARIN Registration Services<br>
>> Agreement, the policies in this document, and any amendments as may be<br>
>> made to either one.<br>
>><br>
>> Modify section 11.4 by removing ?on a lease/license basis?, leaving the<br>
>> following;<br>
>><br>
>> 11.4 Resource Allocation Term and Renewal<br>
>><br>
>> The Numbering Resources are allocated for a period of one year. The<br>
>> allocation can be renewed on application to ARIN providing information<br>
>> as per Detail One. The identity and details of the applicant and the<br>
>> allocated Numbering Resources will be published under the conditions of<br>
>> ARIN's normal publication policy. At the end of the experiment,<br>
>> resources allocated under this policy will be returned to the available<br>
>> pool.<br>
>><br>
>> Rationale:<br>
>><br>
>> As part of the discussion of Policy Proposal #106 the issue of the use<br>
>> of the term ?license? in section 6.4.1 and that it is not likely in<br>
>> harmony with the ARIN Registration Services Agreement was recognized.<br>
>> The AC feels that this issue is important enough to make it a separate<br>
>> Draft Policy that stands on its own.<br>
>><br>
>> This section could not be fixed by simple editorial changes and it<br>
>> requires a complete rewrite in order to fix the issues. It was further<br>
>> recognized that the concept that ?Number resources are not property? is<br>
>> not exclusively an IPv6 issue and should be moved out of section 6, so<br>
>> that it is clear that it applies to all number resources.<br>
>><br>
>> Finally, the rest of the NRPM was searched for any additional uses of<br>
>> the term ?license?. One additional use was found in section 11.4, in<br>
>> this case deleting it and a few other words surrounding it, fixes the<br>
>> issue without significantly changing the meaning of the section.<br>
>><br>
>> Timetable for implementation: Immediate<br>
>><br>
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ReassignmentRegistration Requirements - revised<br>
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> I oppose the wording in section 6.5.5.1. The database should<br>
> be accessible to more than just the RIRs, it should be<br>
> accessible to the general internet.<br>
<br>
We really should try to tighten up on the wording in areas<br>
like this, just as we make a distinction between assign<br>
and allocate, even though the two words are synonymous in<br>
general usage.<br>
<br>
Can we use the term "database" only to refer to something<br>
that stores data, and use the term "directory" for something<br>
that is published?<br>
<br>
Then we can say that some providers use SWIP to update<br>
ARIN's registration database, others use the web portal.<br>
When adding a record to the registration database,<br>
people must indicate whether or not it is to be published<br>
in the whois directory. This directory is refreshed daily<br>
from the registration data. The directory can be queried<br>
via whois protocol or through ARIN's website, and for<br>
certain uses, ARIN will make the entire directory available<br>
for bulk download.<br>
<br>
Then we can have policy that talks about various databases<br>
that can be kept separate from policy that talks about various<br>
directories.<br>
<br>
--Michael Dillon<br>
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