[arin-ppml] IPv6 Non-connected networks
mcr at sandelman.ca
Fri Feb 5 14:17:40 EST 2010
>>>>> "David" == David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> writes:
David> Since I've been working on rewriting ARIN's IPv6 policy I
David> want to know how the community want this to actually work, my
David> goal is a more direct and clear path for these network to get
David> addresses. However, I see a faction of the ARIN community
David> that want these assignments made from a filterable block.
David> Then, there is another faction that says, wait a minute, that
David> means ARIN is defining Routing Policy.
If the assignments are not made from a trivially filterable block, then
the assignments are not special in any way, and if you can convince an
ISP to carry them, they are exactly the same as connected blocks, and so
should be charged in the same way.
The argument against giving out IPv6 /32s to any and all (regardless of
need) is, I think, that it causes DFZ router table explosion.
(Remember, there are enough /40s to give every man, woman and child one,
but I see no reason why any individual human needs more than a /60...)
We are told that ARIN doesn't do routing policy, yet it seems to me that
a large amount of ARINs reluctance to make IPv6 addressing available is
the result of a concern about DFZ router size.
If we had a way to assign a routing table congestion cost to
assignments then maybe it would be okay.
Maybe SIDR will provide a mechanism to do that, since the "routability"
of a block could expressed in the authorization certificate binding it
to an ASN.
Until such time, ISPs are guardians of a scarce public (distributed)
resource known as the DFZ. It's a tragedy of the commons, and a
fax-effect (at the same time), were once one ISP starts to pollute the
table, other ISPs are encouraged by peer pressure to do the same thing.
David> Basically it boils down to, if we assign from a common pool
David> then there is no distinction and you can only have the
David> address space you can justify connected or non-connected. If
David> we make a distinction then, anyone must to be able to get
David> such a non-connected assignment without regard to if they
David> have an assignment intended intended for global connectivity.
I can't parse the second sentence, but I think I know what you mean.
Can you rewrite it for me?
David> So I would like to see continued discussion on the specific
David> issue of a common pool for all assignments VS. a specific
David> pool for non-connected networks. Additionally, I intend to
David> raise this issue on the floor in Toronto.
Thanks for bring us back to the topic.
(It seems amazing that ARIN has only ever once provided aN IPv4 prefix
that wasn't routable, which is the 24.y/11... )
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