[arin-ppml] *Spam?* Re: *Spam?* Re: Discussion Petition of ARIN-prop-125 Efficient Utilization of IPv4 Requires Dual-Stack

Kevin Kargel kkargel at polartel.com
Thu Dec 30 16:44:39 EST 2010

Absolutely wrong.  If a bad idea is a bad idea then call it a bad idea.  The fence riders and uninformed need to know it is a bad idea.  

If you want to hit me with clubs I am not going to help you figure out how to make it more palatable.  I am going to tell you not to hit me at all.

Why would we want to spend our time working on a bad idea?

ARIN is a registrar and has no business telling me what addresses I must put on my router interfaces.  Arin's job is to dole out IP addresses and keep track of who they were given to.

As has been brought up here multiple times, there is no public internet.  There is a cooperative association of private networks communicating for fun and profit.  


> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of William Herrin
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:19 PM
> To: matthew at matthew.at
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: *Spam?* Re: [arin-ppml] *Spam?* Re: Discussion Petition of ARIN-
> prop-125 Efficient Utilization of IPv4 Requires Dual-Stack
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Matthew Kaufman <matthew at matthew.at>
> wrote:
> > On 12/30/2010 11:36 AM, William Herrin wrote:
> >> Come on Matthew, tell me your better than that. Let's help the prop
> >> 125 guys find the least objectionable version of their proposal and
> >> put off the talk about adoption or rejection of the general concept
> >> until later.
> >
> > I'm not interested in helping them make this bad idea more palatable
> > to the masses.
> Then why should the prop 125 guys listen to anything you have to say?
> The prop 125 guys will need to listen to the folks who might be
> convinced to join a consensus with the right set of changes. You're a
> firmly declared "no" vote. The only knowledge you offer them is a list
> arguments to be rebutted.
> What's more, should they fail to achieve a consensus on defects in the
> proposal rather than the concept, it doesn't close the question... the
> matter remains open for the next guy to and try again. And again.
> If you're against the concept and want it to go away, help the prop
> 125 guys build the best proposal possible, and THEN seek consensus
> that even the best constructed version of the concept is unacceptable.
> And let the best ideas win.
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
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