[arin-ppml] IP Address Block Clean up

[Azinger, Marla]

I agree.  That would be one of the points from the rest of the email string thats missing from the clip here.  Discussion, analysis and review is needed.  Who knows after its all reviewed, analyzed and processed, the topic could be abandoned and filed away with the reasons why.  But if we dont look at it, that would be slightly ignorant when some folks of the community are already asking for this to be looked at.  And the points you've both made are ones that should be included in discussion.

I wouldnt want to speed or push this topic through anything either.  Its a complex topic. But as Chris stated "What does help is following the proper process for ARIN policies or suggestions."

Cheers
Marla

-----Original Message-----
From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Kargel
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 2:19 PM
To: arin ppml
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Block Clean up

>
> as i replied on nanog
>
>     From: Randy Bush <randy at psg.com>
>     Subject: Re: Hijacked Blocks
>     To: "Azinger, Marla" <marla.azinger at frontiercorp.com>
>     Cc: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>, North American Network Operators
>      Group <nanog at nanog.org>
>     Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:47:59 +0900
>
>     > I haven't followed this entire string.  Are you saying ARIN is
> repeatedly handing out address space to known abusers?  If that's the
> case then yes, some form of policy should be worked on.
>
>     i might walk more slowly and with a bit less self-righteousness.  this
>     is not a simple area.  are we sure we want the rirs to become the net
>     content police?  how are they to judge?
>
>     e.g., prudent isps act against a customer when there is a court order,
>     not when the net gossip says they're bad actors.  i.e., the
> decision of
>     who is a bad actor is passed on to the society's normal judicial
>     process.
>
>     randy

I tend to agree with Randy on this one.  While it would be wonderful to squish all the evildoers and make the internet a safe place for everyone, I do not think it is within the scope of the RiR's mission to police content or behavior.  Starting that philosophy could turn into a real tar baby we would never escape from.

Once one starts acting to police an issue, the onus of responsibility falls to them.

ARIN has a job they do very well, we should stick with it.

>
> not that i think that bad actors should not be inhibited.  i am just
> not sure the arin is the best way of doing so.  perhaps looking at how
> to streamline the judicial process is an avenue that needs to be more
> fully explored before we become the net judges and jury.
>
> [ i also shudder thinking about a discussion here of how many
> commercial emails a day can dance on the head of a spam pin, etc. ]
>
> randy